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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back

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uh tonight i was gonna try uh this

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multi-camera setup which i've been

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working on all day but suddenly realized

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it's not gonna work right with a guest

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so we'll have to try that another night

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you know there's lots of

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things to talk about uh as far as ufos

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seems to be a real increase in activity

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lately both in discussion

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reports uh news stories media coverage

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so i thought tonight would bring in uh

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someone that i've talked to on twitter

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uh who follows ufos and we're just gonna

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have a

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a real open and honest talk uh

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about ufos uh so for tonight

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this will be our ufo report

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okay friends so uh without any further

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ado let's uh bring

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in our guest there timothy good to see

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might help if i unmuted the mic yeah

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yeah how's it going man

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for the intro that's good sorry my my

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yeah good to talk to you man yeah yeah

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what do you make of this increase in

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activity lately and as far as

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what's going on in the world of ufos and

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people who are

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following ufos i don't know what

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i i asked chris rotowski about it he

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does the canadian ufo survey you

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probably know his name he

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uh he wrote an article on it and a few

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other peoples have addressed it a few

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other people have addressed them the

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same issue so yeah it seems like the

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sightings have gone up significantly at

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least they did during pandemic but

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more recently i think there's been a

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drop off from what he said so

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kind of a big steep increase and then

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i don't know i mean it's um of course

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to the topic too so it's hard to figure

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out which is the

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chicken and which is the egg right

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partly yeah absolutely

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and we have genocide here with a

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generous two dollar plywood fun donation

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do you know plywood cost 60 for one

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yeah i know you mentioned that i was

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that's why i said how about corrugated

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10 can you just my dad built like a barn

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corrugated 10-1 that's actually what i

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think i'm gonna do for the porch roof

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because then i don't worry about the

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wood tin will be just fine i just gotta

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figure out how to join that tin roof

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with the rest of the roof

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all right okay but thank you uh genocide

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for your kindness your generosity and

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support and

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anybody can throw money at me just hit

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the money button in the live chat

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we appreciate all the support so

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you know back to this yeah i i have not

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this much media coverage about ufos ever

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so i'm noticing it yeah it's well

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there's a couple of things you know with

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with social media everybody can engage

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to a lot larger degree so everybody

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talk ufos i think but you know the

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but they're always always there there's

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stephen grier on dr steven green i'm

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great so and david halperin who's uh

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fascinates me about ufos is

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are into ufos are just straight nutters

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that are into them you know stan

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for people to in higher levels of

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academia to be interested

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media coverage has shifted in the last

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what it is

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regardless of how it comes out that what

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public safety concern if nothing else

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whether he actually hits something or

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averts a near miss that's a safety

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be addressed right and it's also more

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overarching i guess an existential kind

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of question about our place in the

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universe and you know

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all that kind of stuff but yeah yeah

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safety issues right

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national security concern right i mean

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we don't know what they are yeah you

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know flying right over

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military assets like uh like

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and when they really well brings in a

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whole set of issues right but the

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subset i mean is that part of the larger

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ufo issue or is that a ploy to allow

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them to talk about it in a way that

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they can do so without getting a lot of

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flack i don't know but

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drone possibilities and

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if those are drones whose are they are

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like launched from the blackbird so

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become you know it took how many years

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like i can go buy and fly a drone you

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right right government always has tech

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before everybody else gets it

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the the stuff that that has been leaked

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or released or whatever it's

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debatable there's never anything where

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it's it's an obvious

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the public in public science has gotten

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that gotten you know

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getting the data they've many times been

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able to explain stuff it looks like that

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military intelligence wasn't able to

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either they couldn't explain it or they

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so anyway it kind of reminds me of the

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thing with the roswell slides right when

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we can't figure out what the hell it is

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it might be an alien and then then they

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that it said this is a corpse of a

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native american blah blah blah

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yeah we've covered some of these yeah

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this stuff gets solved it can be solved

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immediately you know if people just

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don't try to hide the evidence or

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find and you know one of the things

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that's funny to me is like people

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these hoaxers

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stephen greer too they used both steven

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and haye misson and others used

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human remains to make money

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off of aliens and people's belief or or

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desire to believe in aliens and to me

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you just used a human body like have

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some dignity and respect for

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that poor dead soul right no

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i'm going to use it to make some money

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because i can make a

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boat both of them i'm sure thought

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uh well i'm speculating but they can

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make a boatload of money

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before the truth comes out about it and

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they don't give the money back

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once it becomes clear that this was

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human remains in both of those cases

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yeah yeah maybe donate a percentage to a

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native american charity or something but

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that's not going to happen obviously

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you know it's it's uh you know and for

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the most part people

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on some of those extreme fringes in

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ufology which unfortunately

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well greer is is among now even though

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got a lot of mainstream attention back

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in the day but

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yeah it's most serious people serious

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ufo people don't really

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pay much that you know pay much heed to

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that um

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speaking yeah it should be two there

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separate there should be like two

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you know these people are just out there

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selling whatever stories they can

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no matter how the the witnesses aren't

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credible or the witnesses turn out to be

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like

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child molesters or convicted felons you

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know or like

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former burglars or you know stuff like

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that like

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let's run with the story he'll say this

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stuff and i can

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i can hype up this story and again it'll

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take some time before people figure out

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that that

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witness is a joke yeah that little

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window of ambiguity where you can profit

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right

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you know what i think i'm gonna i'm

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gonna make some money timothy

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and here's how i'm gonna do it i'm gonna

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drive down to philadelphia and i'm gonna

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load

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a van up full of homeless guys and i'm

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gonna give them lunch

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and some beer and i'm gonna feed them

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right and i'm going to give him a script

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like here

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you're a cia uh you're a former cia

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person and you this other homeless guy

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i'm going to like you worked at area 51

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and this other homeless guy and be like

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you

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script and then

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you know come on man i'm gonna do it i'm

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gonna do it and we'll see what happens

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see if that's if this story of these

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guys blows up

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and then i could come out and tell the

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truth and say this is how gullible

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you have to you have to along the way to

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say that the information was properly

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vetted

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or something too yeah definitely

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but it's i don't know the extreme

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fringes of ufology

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but i would be funny as a social

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experiment to see how many of those

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stories really took off or got

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more media coverage and then we could

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come out and tell the truth and say

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these were homeless people i gave them a

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few dollars and a script

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and you people believe this you know

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right because this desire this this

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this i called it in another show the

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hunger

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to believe this stuff is so strong in

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some of these people and then

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you know they get they they've already

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made up their mind

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and they're just looking for things to

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confirm their

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you know pre-held hypothesis these are

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aliens flying around in our skies

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i think it's a jump it's definitely a

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jump right

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yeah definitely i mean and

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now it's a little it's a weird

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difference now as to i've been you know

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following ufos for

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dating myself for 30 something years but

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even with roswell sludge there wasn't a

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lot going on back then so people needed

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to hype something

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right part of the problem but now there

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is so much coverage you know it's easy

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to to take that and kind of ride on it

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if you're looking to exploit stuff you

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know

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i think it has taken a more serious turn

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right now

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with another five dollars for the wood

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fund if this keeps up

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timothy i might be able to buy half a

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sheet of plywood by the time this

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broadcast is concluded

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thank you for your kindness your

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generosity and your support all around

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arbiter we do appreciate it and uh i

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don't know i think i'm going to go with

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tin though i really am

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i'm not going to do wood roof i'm going

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to just go buy the tin

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and it'll come out way cheaper than

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plywood and roofing materials would

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yeah and i would think the tin would

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stay like cleaner and newer you could

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keep that plywood's going to turn dingy

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and [\h__\h] you know i don't know but

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well i'm not a carpenter but i did

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rolled roofing

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on the rest of the roof like you know

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tar paper and then that rolled roofing

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and he mucked the seams and that

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that lasts for a good 15 years so but

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the tin lasts

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much much longer so that was a great

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suggestion and i didn't even think of

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that

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pictures of my cabin

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project yeah once in a while somebody's

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got a great suggestion like somebody

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helped me figure out how to uh

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do the drains out the cabin yeah things

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like that

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so i'd have to pay a plumber and

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somebody else helped me figure out

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how to wire uh electrical outlets

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yeah nice yeah i wish i could i'm in

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arizona i'd love to be able to like

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build something out here

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eventually get a camper and be able to

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you know some outdoor stuff out here but

404
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it's great yeah arizona it's great you

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guys

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yeah it's getting to the hot time of

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year of course now so no this cabin is

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crazy it's like

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it's like eight months out of the years

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winter i was just there last weekend and

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it was 32 at night

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oh man wow and it's may bro

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yeah i was running my hair so

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we have this ufo report coming up that

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everybody is talking about right

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and there's so much speculation some

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people are saying they're going to tell

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us the truth about aliens timothy

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brigham and it's going to be a

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world-changing event they're going to

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finally spill the beans and say we know

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that there's aliens visiting planet

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earth

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i'm uh i am much more skeptical

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i think they're going to say you know

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what i think it's going to be a big

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either a big nothing burger totally a

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big

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nothing burger or there'll be a little

430
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bit of interesting information in there

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but nothing life-changing or

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you know earth altering right what

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what's your take on this report and what

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what what you think is going to be in it

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well first i do hope that it's not

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supposed to be an end

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product kind of thing i think people

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have suggested maybe it should be an

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ongoing

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kind of issue or they issue a yearly

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report or something more comprehensive

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i don't know what kind of depth they're

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planning on going into you know with

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what they're

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coming out with some people have said

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there's just one guy doing it in his

447
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spare time you know in his office in

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pentagon so first i'd like to

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not be just waiting on one guy to write

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this report

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i don't know i've heard that you know

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his first time you know that he's

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so it's obviously not going to be

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comprehensive my point i guess being i

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would at least hope that they just say

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that we don't know what the hell it is

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right and then therefore further further

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research is needed that would be i think

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probably the most honest and best case

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scenario

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i don't believe that they're going to

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come out with any kind of you know

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definitive evidence of any alien

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technology or anything like that but um

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yeah i mean i'd say i'm pretty i'm

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pretty hardcore skeptical i do

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i like i say i still am interested in

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the topic for

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after 30 years of watching it but i keep

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a window open of hoping that there's

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something

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you know beyond the human intelligence

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there worth worth chasing but

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i'm pretty skeptical of it you know you

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know i it's one of

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with me i saw something when i was like

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a kid

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and i it was their typical you know

479
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flying saucer big you know and i saw it

480
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as close as the treetops it was hovering

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just above the treetops in this wooded

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area that i was in

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and so my whole life i wanted to know

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what i saw and

485
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right yeah i don't know that it could be

486
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i don't know that it even could be

487
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something terrestrial what it is that i

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small

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based on what it the sound of it

490
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no sound you know all these things did

491
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you notice any other sounds

492
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like any other ambient weirdness or was

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it

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but like low and off in the background

495
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all right does that make sense yeah and

496
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i felt and i felt an electric charge in

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the air like my hair

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stood up on my arms and my back well i

499
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don't have hair on my back but you know

500
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back of my neck

501
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yeah and i felt like static like when

502
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you rub your hair with a balloon or

503
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something like that's why

504
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whatever whatever the craft was it had

505
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some

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electric form of propulsion right or

507
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electromagnetic i don't know

508
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yeah yeah i'm i'm pretty skeptical of

509
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the claims of like

510
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material debris and things like that but

511
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i think

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people that report and have close

513
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encounters or probably a better source

514
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of

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you know at least with witnesses we we

516
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have the report we know that there's a

517
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witness there's something there we can

518
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,679
take a look at and study i mean did you

519
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,280
have any long-term effects from

520
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:05,039
yeah i mean beyond the obvious

521
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,320
psychological ones yeah

522
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physical really psychological i dreamt

523
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about it for

524
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a while but i don't think that was like

525
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aliens trying to make me

526
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relive it or make me dream it on purpose

527
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i just think that was like i saw

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something so

529
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crazy that it was right in the forefront

530
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of my mind and i couldn't

531
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when i went to sleep it was still there

532
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and i

533
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like experienced what i experienced

534
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again and again

535
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but after a while that faded out and i

536
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was just left

537
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going i gotta know what this thing was

538
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and it started me down this rabbit hole

539
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of

540
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crazy and i almost wish it never

541
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happened because i

542
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don't i don't know about you but like a

543
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lot of us we

544
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spend a tremendous portion of our lives

545
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like reading books about it

546
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and watching videos and you know

547
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:58,159
podcasts it's a passion

548
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,080
right it's a passion you know but

549
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yeah i i hope that when they have their

550
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report that like i say that

551
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they will just straight up admit they

552
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don't know what it is i think that's

553
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probably the

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the answer to what what they know

555
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:12,159
honestly is they may have a little more

556
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data but i don't think they really know

557
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what

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started

559
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,600
reveal more stuff to open science or

560
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public science you'd get a lot more

561
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answers by

562
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:24,000
doing it that way then you know trying

563
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,039
to have one guy

564
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,880
write a report or whatever you know

565
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:28,799
limited resources behind closed doors

566
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,320
so yeah um yeah you know one of the

567
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,600
other things i wanted to ask you your

568
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,799
opinion about and

569
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,360
remember we're just friends that have

570
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,039
you know similar interests

571
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,480
so i i have this problem

572
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,120
lately with this whole narrative for 70

573
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,960
years has been that the government knows

574
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,960
about aliens and they're covering it up

575
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,480
and the men in black and all of this

576
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,679
stuff

577
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,000
and now lately you know there's all

578
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:56,000
these former government workers and

579
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:57,440
we're supposed to trust that what

580
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,640
they're telling us is

581
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,760
is true and accurate and they're some of

582
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,080
them are dancing around their ndas and

583
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,600
things you know

584
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,159
it just doesn't make sense to me that

585
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,240
for 70 years we were supposed to believe

586
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,840
the government was covering this all up

587
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,440
but now we're supposed to believe former

588
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,120
government agents when they're

589
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,559
telling us stuff yeah yeah i guess

590
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:20,240
to me that's what it seems like it seems

591
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,679
like the government put them on

592
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:23,360
out there to say these things and i

593
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,799
don't trust any of them

594
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,559
i don't trust anybody that used to work

595
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,240
for a former

596
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,000
letter of the any of those letter of the

597
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:31,840
alphabet agencies

598
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,760
dia yeah nsa the cia and the fbi

599
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,440
i don't trust any of them i just don't

600
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:39,520
know there's been a long history of of

601
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,320
people

602
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,320
you know jumping into ufos as a

603
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,000
retirement career or whatever you want

604
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,159
to call it after intelligence or

605
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:48,000
so yeah maybe yeah but i mean for

606
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,200
obviously

607
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,720
they didn't have a good interest they

608
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,679
had a like a really big interest in it

609
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,919
but they didn't want to you know be

610
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,520
considered a nutter while they were

611
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,880
still working so they wait till they

612
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,520
retire to do this

613
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,440
yeah that's i think a lot of it is

614
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,520
personal passion at least that

615
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,600
is the what i would hope is the positive

616
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,960
reason behind

617
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,240
you know a lot of these guys coming out

618
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,919
and doing it but um

619
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,840
yeah we have some great you know it is

620
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:17,039
difficult though when people i'm trying

621
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,320
to choose my worst carefully

622
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,760
right you know when people have worked

623
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:21,520
in intelligent circles and especially

624
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,000
they've worked

625
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,080
in ufos and intelligence circles so

626
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,200
obviously it's

627
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:28,240
but you know keep your expectations low

628
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,960
and then

629
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,640
you'll probably be pleasantly surprised

630
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,240
i guess don't you know whatever greg

631
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,679
bishop has a saying you know yeah you

632
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,440
know greg bishop right he like

633
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,360
he has a saying uh listen to all of it

634
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,120
and don't believe necessarily believe

635
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,559
all of it but you know take all the

636
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,679
information in

637
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,880
but yeah it is a different narrative

638
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,760
right that you're saying they're

639
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,039
spinning that

640
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,880
now suddenly oh well we may or may not

641
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,640
know certain things whereas

642
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,880
the old version was the uh was the blue

643
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,679
room or

644
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:54,000
where all the aliens were kept and you

645
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:55,360
know all that kind of stuff so i don't

646
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,000
know

647
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,840
i wanted to ask you you said you want to

648
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,679
be careful with your words but

649
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,919
sometimes we need to name names for

650
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,200
clarity

651
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,960
so i wanted to ask you about christopher

652
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:06,720
mellon and what your thoughts on him

653
00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:07,760
work because

654
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,520
i just i just saw that grant cameron is

655
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,880
adamantly saying that

656
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:15,039
in 2014 he was on a panel with

657
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,000
christopher mellon

658
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,720
at contact in the desert and christopher

659
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,159
mellon said

660
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,720
uh there's no aliens if there were i

661
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:23,919
would know about it

662
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,679
and now he seems to be mr believer

663
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,600
and it doesn't make sense like what

664
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,440
happened in this five-year span

665
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,480
to change his mind and make him so do so

666
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,919
wait first of all let me make sure i

667
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,440
understand that right why would he be in

668
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,039
contact at the desert to say that he

669
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,720
didn't believe in aliens i don't really

670
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,919
know i'm sure that i heard

671
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:44,720
grant cameron say that he was i don't

672
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,669
or maybe he just talked to him but

673
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,880
apparently according to

674
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,279
what was according to grant cameron

675
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,559
christopher mellon said

676
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,480
there's nothing to this if there was i

677
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:58,880
would know about it and now he's doing

678
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:01,520
joe rogan and ttsa and all this other

679
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,240
stuff

680
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:04,799
so that doesn't make sense i don't know

681
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:06,000
i don't know

682
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,919
tell you just from what little bit i

683
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,400
know

684
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,880
having dealt with with chris he seems

685
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:14,799
like he's legitimately trying to

686
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,840
get good answers about things you know

687
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:19,760
what's his motivation i think it's it's

688
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:20,320
a

689
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,039
chris mellon does not need the money

690
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:30,720
right you know he's

691
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:33,200
uh to be involved in this i think he

692
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,240
does have a

693
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,919
an interest in trying to get some of

694
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:37,200
this information out there maybe i'm

695
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,000
being

696
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,120
naive in that you know yeah but

697
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:44,400
yeah casting aspersions at the guy i

698
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,120
just

699
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,240
i don't understand you know he's

700
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:50,320
there's there's very few people that i

701
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,279
can't get to

702
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,679
to get an interview with or talk to it

703
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,960
seems to be those high

704
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,600
wrong ufo celebrity types they don't

705
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:59,279
want to do my show and answer my

706
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,400
questions so

707
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,520
right now i kind of you know i'm at an

708
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:05,360
impasse with many people like lou

709
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:08,799
alexander i've asked him i'm you know

710
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,720
not that i'm bitter but he did do like

711
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,720
he he's done podcasts with people that

712
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,640
have way less numbers than me

713
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,760
right that's what i was gonna say that

714
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,080
yeah but they softballed him every one

715
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,840
of those people softballed him didn't

716
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,760
ask him any hard questions didn't press

717
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,559
him

718
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,200
on anything and there's so many

719
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,200
questions that need to be asked

720
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:32,080
to that gentleman but it seems like he's

721
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,279
bobbing and weaving

722
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,320
and only taking the interviews where

723
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,720
i i this is again that's speculation i

724
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,080
could be wrong but i just think like

725
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,760
every interview that i heard was

726
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,559
sort of softballed and uh i can't get

727
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,480
him and i can't get chris mellon and a

728
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:47,919
few other people

729
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,039
you know i'd love to yeah

730
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,799
yeah that's where my dog is going for

731
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,320
some reason my dog goes crazy when i

732
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,679
smoke i don't know

733
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,960
he's a german shepherd but she's not

734
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:02,390
it's the smell but yeah i mean and i i

735
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,279
don't know lou

736
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,520
alondo at all i know chris just from

737
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:06,960
working with him a little bit on

738
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,320
stuff with scu but um i have i have of

739
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,400
course concerns just like you i've read

740
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,520
stuff about what happened to paul

741
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,679
bennowitz and all that kind of crap so

742
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:16,320
it's

743
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,640
something happening it would just be

744
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:22,480
typical flying saucers like it was you

745
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,440
know

746
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,760
forever i would like it to see it you

747
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,360
know actually answer the question

748
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,880
definitively once and for all to at

749
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,320
least as much as could be all right is

750
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,679
there something going on or not i don't

751
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,440
expect them to do that in june

752
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,320
but you know if we put concerted effort

753
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,840
at it as a human species we could

754
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,120
probably figure out

755
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,799
a lot a lot more what the hell is going

756
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,320
on than we we have

757
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,240
yeah sorry i'm just kind of rambling i

758
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,919
guess the other questions that i have

759
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:48,240
especially for louis alexander is he's

760
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,279
recently

761
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,559
he's kind of going after ufo profiteers

762
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,640
and then i come to i come to find out

763
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,640
that like you know

764
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,320
i don't think that he's had a real job

765
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,679
in five years

766
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,320
you know i i funny enough you say that i

767
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,919
just saw him on twitter today

768
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:06,320
say i have not made a dime from any of

769
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,600
my ufo appearances

770
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,559
i have a day job whatever that means i

771
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,760
don't know but that's it

772
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,440
and see we're getting to some part of

773
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:14,880
the truth but

774
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,080
he was being he was being paid by a tip

775
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:20,080
and i've got to imagine he was being

776
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,520
paid by ttsa

777
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,279
and he was paid by the history channel

778
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,960
to be on that television show

779
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,120
i would imagine you see this is where we

780
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:28,640
get yeah i think that

781
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:31,600
it's it's still murky there like is he

782
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,320
is he

783
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,480
really saying he doesn't make any money

784
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,399
at all hasn't made any money at all from

785
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,399
ufos he's had to

786
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,000
i would think yeah i mean come on man

787
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,760
i'm asking i'm

788
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,080
you know come on i know but it's good if

789
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,679
he has a day job because the guys that

790
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:46,960
have a day job

791
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,240
they don't need right stuff to keep

792
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,440
yeah exactly exactly

793
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,000
jobs yeah that should be that should

794
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,600
there should be like uh you know

795
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,919
when somebody does any podcasts or

796
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,840
appearance or talks at a conference they

797
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,360
should have to answer

798
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,760
if they have a day job or not right

799
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,279
right yes what's the date

800
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,240
guys more you know like yeah well no

801
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,080
legitimately man i mean people

802
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,840
the people that i know that are serious

803
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,120
or mostly

804
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:17,679
people that aren't doing you know

805
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,399
conferences

806
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,919
and stuff like that on the regular at

807
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,559
least right i mean yeah

808
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,760
um you know yeah all right yeah i've

809
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,200
only been asked to talk at one

810
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:29,360
conference and it was kind of before

811
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,039
i got as skeptical as i am you know

812
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,600
yeah it was a local thing it was a local

813
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,520
thing i think it was john ventry before

814
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,399
he had his racist meltdown

815
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,640
he ran a conference in philadelphia and

816
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:43,919
asked me to talk

817
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,039
but i didn't make it you know yeah

818
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,799
but i definitely think that money tends

819
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,720
to cloud people's judgment and it seems

820
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:52,240
to me that there's

821
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,600
way too many people make like

822
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,760
how like this is a serious question what

823
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,760
do you think how many people

824
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:02,640
on planet earth should be making a

825
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:03,600
full-time

826
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,070
oh man well i mean as it stands right

827
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,679
and this is one of the reasons that i

828
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,520
after doing this probably i don't want

829
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:15,440
to become like a talking ufo head you

830
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,480
know on the regular

831
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,200
or anything but um [\h__\h] i got high and

832
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,039
forgiving you're gonna be my talking

833
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:23,200
head though so you know okay fair enough

834
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,080
fair enough

835
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,679
i mean if you're going to be in ufos

836
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:27,039
before i lose what i was going to say

837
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,679
right

838
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:29,279
you you're going to be immediately or at

839
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,320
some point you're going to have to go

840
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,080
more extreme right i mean you can't just

841
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,600
ride for 20 years and

842
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,440
talk since right nobody wants to [\h__\h]

843
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,440
hear that right i mean seriously every

844
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,960
if you if you're doing it because you

845
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,679
need

846
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,880
a gig or money or whatever then

847
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,480
and be honest about that there's nothing

848
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,919
wrong if that's your thing man stanton

849
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,720
friedman

850
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,320
you know would remember him and he told

851
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,320
jim you know hey nuclear

852
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,640
physics jobs are down ufo jobs are up

853
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:54,480
i'm taking it you know okay god bless

854
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,360
you you know

855
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,880
at least you're you know that's your

856
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,960
your interest yeah i know of course you

857
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,679
know when you

858
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,760
i told him a lot before he died i used

859
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,559
to call him once in a while and

860
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:07,200
and he uh he was very honest with me he

861
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:07,840
said

862
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,600
uh all the all the physics jobs and the

863
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,559
research that

864
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,799
you know that all dried up and i knew

865
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:17,039
that i could make a good living

866
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,640
giving lectures which is something that

867
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,320
he enjoyed because he loved talking

868
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:21,760
about ufos

869
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,120
said

870
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:27,440
i love lecturing about ufos i love

871
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,240
researching

872
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:31,039
ufos and i love talking about ufos so i

873
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,159
made that my

874
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,840
i made it my career so i guess there's

875
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,200
nothing wrong with it i just think

876
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,120
there's way too many people trying to do

877
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:38,480
it

878
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,880
gotten so extreme too

879
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,320
again with the thing where you're using

880
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,480
human [\h__\h] remains

881
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:49,279
you know to get thirty dollars for a

882
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,559
pay-per-view ticket or something

883
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,480
it's beyond that to me that is

884
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,840
unbelievable yeah

885
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,399
you would think that they too like i did

886
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:58,240
oh speaking about people using human

887
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,799
remains

888
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,880
i followed up on the roswell slides and

889
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,080
i found out that that

890
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,000
statue um was actually interred

891
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,279
they they buried it because it was

892
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,840
there was a change you know at some

893
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:13,679
point i think it was like the 70s or the

894
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,000
early

895
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,399
80s where people said you know it's

896
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,480
really disrespectful to leave this thing

897
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:20,880
in a glass case let it be buried

898
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,919
i think some of the the natives went to

899
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,240
the

900
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,720
museum and said like this is this is

901
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,399
sacrilegious to us that you're just

902
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:30,000
putting this thing on display you got to

903
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:31,200
bury it and they did

904
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,039
to their credit however i believe that

905
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:37,679
uh stephen grier's atacama humanoid

906
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:40,399
is not buried and and you know i would

907
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,960
think

908
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,039
come on bro you know it's just a human

909
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,880
nail let it rest in peace

910
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:47,200
don't take it is that the tiny one is

911
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,399
that the tiny one

912
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,600
six inch one yeah i'm a shoebox man i

913
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,120
know that's disrespectful but if it i

914
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:54,480
didn't even know that it had been proven

915
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,200
to be uh

916
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,799
what is it like like a fetus or it's an

917
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,480
actual per or the

918
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,880
yeah depends on who you ask some people

919
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,840
say all right yeah

920
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,480
it was the bone density was too high it

921
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:06,080
couldn't have been a fetus it had to be

922
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,559
born

923
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,320
and lived for this long and other people

924
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,240
say no it was yeah

925
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,279
yes it was it wasn't even born you know

926
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,159
but still that's still a human being and

927
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,159
the remains of a human being sure

928
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:21,039
so to me steven grier i'm kind of like

929
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,919
come on bro

930
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,840
you made your money off of it now let it

931
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,080
rest in peace bury the thing

932
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,679
maybe we should start yeah and then even

933
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:29,120
if you were going to pitch the angle it

934
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,559
was an extraterrestrial wouldn't you

935
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,760
want to still do something

936
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,760
respectful i have no idea what mindset

937
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,000
you'd be in if you really believed yeah

938
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:38,000
but which yeah anyway you know but i

939
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,039
think you'd still want to be

940
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,720
respectful especially if it was a

941
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,799
sentient conscious being

942
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,559
if it was an alien you still want to

943
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,000
bury it i just

944
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,760
it creeps me out to know that stephen

945
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,200
greer and i don't even think he's the

946
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,640
owner of it i think he

947
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,559
you know rented it or something off the

948
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:54,000
actual owner

949
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,600
but it just couldn't be able to think

950
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,760
that there's people running around

951
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,519
you know just leaving this thing sit in

952
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,120
their house or whatever

953
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,919
yeah you know bury it oh yeah we have

954
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:05,600
some dignity and respect for

955
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:09,119
the dead yeah yeah it'd be surprised i

956
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:10,000
think

957
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,599
jim mosley used to tell me stories about

958
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,119
you know back his

959
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,960
their grave robbing days in peru you

960
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,879
know and just be surprised the amount of

961
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,240
stuff that was

962
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,280
you know black market still i don't know

963
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,639
where you'd sell it and sell a small

964
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,760
alien but

965
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,079
yeah where'd you sell a six-inch alien

966
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,839
corpse or where do you buy

967
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:30,480
where do you buy one of those parakas

968
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,119
skulls

969
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:34,159
because people do buy them

970
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,359
yeah i was thinking about like the

971
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,280
crystal skulls used to be it used to be

972
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,040
the crystal skulls were not as easily

973
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,639
now they're you know machined and stuff

974
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,480
but it used to be they'd sell those as

975
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,960
collectibles and [\h__\h] handmade

976
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,480
well that kind of makes sense to me and

977
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:48,240
i can understand i guess why somebody

978
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,119
would want

979
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,960
one of those elongated skulls if you're

980
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,720
into aliens or something

981
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,919
but by re by reproduction you know don't

982
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,800
buy them

983
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,800
let's just have some head sit in your

984
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,079
house it's

985
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,280
respectful to me yeah yeah agreed

986
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,520
agree i'd like a recreation i can't lie

987
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,960
i would put that on a shelf

988
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,760
you know yeah curiosity piece in here

989
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,320
you know

990
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,680
like possible alien skull

991
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,599
i think that some of the prop ones are

992
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,280
really bad though they don't look

993
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,280
good they don't look well i had a uh i

994
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,760
had one from spencer's like in the 90s

995
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:24,240
i took to a ufo conference and me and

996
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:25,359
jim went out there took it out of the

997
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,079
beach and

998
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:29,119
carries this fake and uh the guy that

999
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:32,400
had the star child what's his name um

1000
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,240
yeah that's another one he was there

1001
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:38,079
he was there so i told jim i'm gonna

1002
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:39,200
take it down to the beach and throw it

1003
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:40,400
the [\h__\h] out there and wait for him to

1004
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,200
walk by

1005
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:43,520
and find it right yeah so actually

1006
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:44,240
that's

1007
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:48,079
least three people

1008
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,079
now in ufos in ufo circles who have done

1009
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,440
lectures made dvds sold

1010
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,960
what about thomas guy thomas reed well

1011
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,839
he's got a fake

1012
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,200
remember you know the guy beat the alien

1013
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:03,280
with the death with a stick he's kind of

1014
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,839
faking

1015
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,760
he's got it in the freezer yeah yeah

1016
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,240
yeah of course that's probably just

1017
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,920
he was on i saw him on facebook as

1018
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,920
recently as like i want to say two years

1019
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,480
ago

1020
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,240
claims he's a child psychologist by the

1021
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,920
way first of all there's a lot of

1022
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,680
disturbing possibilities there but which

1023
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:20,160
i don't believe him at all about tonight

1024
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,440
but he's still selling it he's gotta

1025
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,800
he's got a second story he's gonna

1026
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,599
follow up

1027
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,800
dr reed and i believe that i i

1028
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:29,119
checked and his doctorate is like one of

1029
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,400
those ones that you buy

1030
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,000
from some place you know what i mean

1031
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,520
like he's not a doctor

1032
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,920
it's a joke yeah and that but you know

1033
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,280
to some degree it's like do you want to

1034
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:39,680
even bother to go after the low-hanging

1035
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,079
fruit

1036
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,960
of shitty you know yeah you can look at

1037
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,119
his videos and go this is fake as hell

1038
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,480
but i'll give him credit

1039
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,440
because i did magic shows for a time he

1040
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,320
did a video

1041
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:53,119
of this supposed craft off in the woods

1042
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,599
and he

1043
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,079
used a magician's trick to make it

1044
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,520
appear to be floating

1045
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,320
and i recognized that as soon as i saw

1046
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,599
that he had done that so i'll give him

1047
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,359
at least some credit he's using magic

1048
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,200
tricks to sell

1049
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,599
it's fake plywood spaceship in the woods

1050
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,119
right and then they had a big

1051
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,320
body and you know yeah that case has

1052
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,720
been ripped completely apart but

1053
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,480
he went down to mexico and they still

1054
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,000
believe them they're they're

1055
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,280
like slow to catch on to

1056
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,440
you know to the grips and the con

1057
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,320
artists

1058
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,480
i don't know if it's a cultural thing or

1059
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,920
obviously it's got i mean

1060
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,079
right but they're definitely a little

1061
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,160
more superstitious than uh

1062
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,839
and and willing to believe in things

1063
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,599
like aliens demons angels

1064
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,440
i i think so in my opinion than

1065
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,640
americans are

1066
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,320
americans a little more skeptical or

1067
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,839
like yeah right you know is this thing

1068
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:42,800
for real

1069
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,560
they're like oh it's alien

1070
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,480
yeah i love how they always in the you

1071
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,720
know in the 60s and 70s they had contact

1072
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,800
cases with little hairy hairy humanoids

1073
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:54,160
that would attack people that was kind

1074
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,720
of their

1075
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,560
version of the gray you know these

1076
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,119
little hairy midgets that would attack

1077
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:01,040
you know that's somehow mythologically

1078
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,030
i'll listen to the people i'll listen to

1079
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,720
anybody tell their story about

1080
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,560
encounters with aliens though because

1081
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:13,760
you never know

1082
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:16,960
some of them maybe uh have some kind of

1083
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,200
or some truth to what they're saying so

1084
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,440
i used to not care about experiencers i

1085
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:24,960
don't want to talk to any other

1086
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,680
alien abduction people you know because

1087
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,040
all they have is their story

1088
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,599
but some of them are pretty good stories

1089
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,280
and uh yeah yeah he's listening

1090
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,359
and going back to like what heinek said

1091
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:37,200
you know the ufo reports are real the

1092
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,240
reports are real and

1093
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,160
then the ufos may or may not be real but

1094
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,160
the reports of the peop that people make

1095
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,520
are real right so focus the efforts on

1096
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,440
instead of worrying about to me trying

1097
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:49,040
to capture a piece of something that

1098
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,160
crashed i

1099
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,240
don't really see that reason i don't

1100
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,280
know we'll see

1101
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,800
i don't really believe it what do you

1102
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,400
think of that stuff because there's a

1103
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,320
lot of people running around claiming

1104
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:01,359
that they got uh ufo material but i

1105
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,760
think

1106
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:03,920
a lot of people seem to imply that what

1107
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,800
they have is alien spacecraft material

1108
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,720
when it could have came off a russian

1109
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:10,560
satellite it could come off of the you

1110
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,440
know missile

1111
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,480
that test or you know ufo could mean a

1112
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,599
lot of things so

1113
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,839
i think there's a quick a jump to ale

1114
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,640
it's got to be alien material

1115
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:24,000
yeah i mean there's you know ufo debris

1116
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,040
has been

1117
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,240
a thing for for decades it's and i think

1118
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,160
some of the same materials over and over

1119
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,839
again you know so they're retesting some

1120
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,000
of these materials

1121
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,240
you know time and time again but maybe

1122
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,760
there's some i don't hold out a lot of

1123
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,359
hope that we're going to find a physical

1124
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:40,320
tangible piece of

1125
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,839
i'll go on the record and i'm could be

1126
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,760
i'd love to be wrong but i'll i'll say

1127
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:45,280
that in our lifetimes we're never going

1128
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,000
to hold

1129
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,280
alien technology i i don't think it's

1130
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,560
you know if there is a real ufo

1131
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:52,400
phenomenon i think maybe it's more some

1132
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,599
kind of weird

1133
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,440
i don't know consciousness related thing

1134
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,720
i don't know what that would be by the

1135
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,680
way but

1136
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,720
i i don't think that you know

1137
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,520
still no uncontrovertible evidence no

1138
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,119
evidence of

1139
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:08,960
stuff like that we're

1140
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,920
still in the same place after but going

1141
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:13,599
back to the debris right i mean that's

1142
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,920
kind of always been an end game for ufos

1143
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,560
right

1144
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,880
at some point we've got to have [\h__\h]

1145
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,319
something we can show people

1146
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,680
i you know i mean especially

1147
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,760
and i don't want to say i respect

1148
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,880
jacqueline a lot

1149
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,720
and the work that he did with like

1150
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,160
magonia and

1151
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,400
totally one of you know people i aspired

1152
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:33,920
to be as a kid but

1153
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:36,720
you know i don't know what what part of

1154
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,119
his

1155
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,800
must require some sort of

1156
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,640
sort of tangible proof maybe for his own

1157
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,160
story i i don't know i don't want to

1158
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,359
psychoanalyze

1159
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,200
right somebody else but i don't have a

1160
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,480
lot of hope that we're going to find a

1161
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,520
piece of

1162
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,359
something from another planet or another

1163
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:52,800
star system

1164
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,839
if we do great i'd i've heard heard the

1165
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,440
claim many times before i don't really

1166
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,920
see any reason to think it'll

1167
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,240
you know you know i remember i remember

1168
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,599
many times where people

1169
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,359
were hyping up things that they claimed

1170
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,800
came off of the ufo

1171
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,040
and by ufo they really meant alien

1172
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,560
spacecraft you know

1173
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,960
we had that smelting thing that it

1174
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,720
really was just this weird piece of

1175
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:15,599
metal that

1176
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,520
comes from this process we had an artist

1177
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,319
you know and we've got jacques valet and

1178
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,160
we've got ttsa claiming

1179
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,720
that they have some sort of ufo

1180
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:28,720
materials

1181
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,839
and again i somebody commented to me i

1182
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:33,280
guess more people read twitter than i

1183
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,160
than i would think

1184
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:36,079
that i said something derogatory about

1185
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,359
jacques and i do

1186
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,440
not want to be dismissive of him in any

1187
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,359
way and and uh

1188
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,079
say that i don't have it by the way i

1189
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,599
want to see the data i don't see the

1190
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,440
tests i want to see the data i want them

1191
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,720
to be

1192
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,119
i want him to open those materials up to

1193
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,119
other researchers so that whatever

1194
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,440
his findings are can be either confirmed

1195
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,800
or denied by

1196
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,040
you know a second person looking at them

1197
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,480
or third person or

1198
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,560
getting metal urges i'll mention one one

1199
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,680
other issue we saw that

1200
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,440
that i think gary nolan was was

1201
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:07,200
discussing some of the but he was he's

1202
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,599
not a

1203
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:10,319
metallurgist so i don't know why his my

1204
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,040
understanding he's like a

1205
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,520
neurobiochemist or something so

1206
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,920
again i guess i'm being too skeptical

1207
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,880
but again

1208
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:19,040
why are you not having qualified to look

1209
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,000
at it

1210
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,079
and decide if it's aliens or not right

1211
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,599
right right right i don't know

1212
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,599
and and here's my question why does it

1213
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,599
take so much effort to figure that out i

1214
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,359
mean wouldn't it be more obvious i'm

1215
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:31,839
missing something i guess maybe but

1216
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,520
you know why shouldn't alien debris or

1217
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,200
yeah they should be able to look at it

1218
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,040
under a microscope and find out if it

1219
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:41,119
was manufactured or naturally occurring

1220
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,480
and then they should be able to put it

1221
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,160
in a mass spectrometer

1222
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,880
and find out what the isotope count is

1223
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:47,680
and if it

1224
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,119
if it's truly from another star system

1225
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,280
they'd be able to be able to easily

1226
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,319
determine that

1227
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,160
and i don't think we ever get to it we

1228
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,160
never get that like

1229
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,599
in mythology there's a lot of things

1230
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,280
that start out big and then

1231
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,880
they just kind of go away slowly and

1232
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,040
taper away you know

1233
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,720
without much coming out of them in the

1234
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,240
end i hope

1235
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,920
hopefully this won't be one of those but

1236
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,680
you know yeah there's always some big

1237
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:12,079
story

1238
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:16,160
that turns out to be whatever

1239
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,440
you were asking about chris i'll tell

1240
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,599
you that yeah

1241
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,000
you let me as nasa you were asking about

1242
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,000
uh chris mellon and um

1243
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:26,400
luella zondo chris helped us write the

1244
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,119
the uh

1245
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,720
the letter that we sent to congress and

1246
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:30,079
then people were right what's gonna ask

1247
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,440
you about that can you explain

1248
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:34,319
exactly what scu is and this letter that

1249
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,200
you guys sent

1250
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,760
can you talk about that yeah i'll do it

1251
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:38,800
from the

1252
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,119
just the scientific coalition for uap

1253
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,480
studies it's

1254
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,800
um just a group mostly scientists people

1255
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,520
with

1256
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,839
people degreed people reasonable people

1257
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,839
about 100 members

1258
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,839
you know some of the member robert

1259
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,680
powell and uh kevin knows did a lot of

1260
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,040
work on the nimitz case

1261
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,079
stuff like that right um

1262
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,119
but a group of us and i'll say robert

1263
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:05,760
and i got together the idea initially

1264
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,040
was to try to give some feedback from

1265
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,520
from you know one of the only kind of

1266
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,440
major ufo organizations remaining that

1267
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:15,200
had any sort of scientific credibility

1268
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:15,520
to

1269
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,599
was creating this paper or you know or

1270
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,560
this this uh

1271
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,960
you know this was going on june right uh

1272
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,240
that turned into

1273
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,079
and actually all like now it's okay to

1274
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,440
say this because

1275
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,119
a couple of things right if you read the

1276
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,800
the letter that we sent to congress it

1277
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:32,000
does say

1278
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:35,200
respectfully to uh senators uh rubio and

1279
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,000
warner

1280
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,480
right we were requesting you release the

1281
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:40,800
remaining footage from the uh the gimbal

1282
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,440
video

1283
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,599
right chris i think has come out on joe

1284
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,440
rogan and said there's a longer video

1285
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:47,359
and i think lou elizando implied there

1286
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,400
was a longer

1287
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,720
video of which that gimbal video is just

1288
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:51,440
a segment

1289
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,760
right um so if so right the assumption i

1290
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,960
would have would be that it would be a

1291
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,319
section of a longer video and there's

1292
00:45:09,349 --> 00:44:59,760
more data there right

1293
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:11,270
we had a hiccup there or something for a

1294
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,400
second there so i missed

1295
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:15,440
i jumped in what you just said no reason

1296
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,760
that

1297
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,599
um i got tired of seeing everybody

1298
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,200
debate this one segment of video this

1299
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,720
gimbal video right because it's like

1300
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,760
however long

1301
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,200
and then the thing may or may not go to

1302
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:25,680
the side where's the rest of the video

1303
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:26,079
you know

1304
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,280
people are burning up all this time

1305
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,119
looking at this possible

1306
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,760
jet or possible flying saucer or anyway

1307
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,839
long story short um

1308
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,720
we turned our attention with chris's

1309
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,560
guidance and help at uh requesting that

1310
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,599
they release

1311
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,760
the rest of that video along with the

1312
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,880
other videos that they

1313
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,560
they recently right talked about or

1314
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:46,319
acknowledged or whatever leaked or

1315
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,599
whatever you want to call it right

1316
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:50,000
yeah watch your full video why can't we

1317
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,040
get like exactly

1318
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,599
the 25 minute version or whatever and

1319
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:55,280
especially if you read you know their

1320
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,000
their own

1321
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,440
verbiage says these videos do not um

1322
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,000
do not uh release any classifiable

1323
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,920
information about methods or anything

1324
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:05,359
right so when they acknowledge that they

1325
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,640
specifically said that

1326
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,079
so therefore the rest of the video can't

1327
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,520
really show anything different right i

1328
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,040
mean what yeah

1329
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,839
i wonder about this uh this you know i i

1330
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:15,599
it frustrates me this we're supposed to

1331
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,319
have freedom

1332
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:18,720
of information act but it's really of

1333
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,440
whether

1334
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,880
they want us to know act yeah because

1335
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,720
it should be they should have to release

1336
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,240
it they should have so we

1337
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,880
forced to release it so robert powell

1338
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,800
filed the foia request requesting that

1339
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,240
they release the video

1340
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,280
and any radar data anything right the

1341
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,359
official usual way you would do that

1342
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,480
request it be released right um

1343
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,400
no luck all right so the idea you're

1344
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,560
gonna reply did he get a reply though

1345
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,400
he got the usual i uh what did he say no

1346
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,760
records i think was the reply i think it

1347
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,200
was just in the records reply

1348
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,480
yeah how could they have um i have to

1349
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,800
check to see what it was yeah what the

1350
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,319
exact verbiage was but he didn't get

1351
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,319
much right um

1352
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,920
like i said the freedom of whether we

1353
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,760
want you to know act or not right right

1354
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,280
what do we want you to know or not act

1355
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,720
it's not the freedom yeah there's no

1356
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,160
freedom of it so

1357
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,720
they do what they want yeah well and

1358
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,000
i'll give this is where i'll give chris

1359
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,640
credit he he said we should be specific

1360
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,319
in our our request before we're gonna

1361
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,920
send something to congress

1362
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:16,640
so mentioning that foia is kind of you

1363
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,359
know if

1364
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,880
this is what we're actually asking just

1365
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,400
honor this for your request

1366
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,480
right um people say there's a longer

1367
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:24,000
video makes sense there's a longer video

1368
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,200
you've said that there's no problem with

1369
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,119
the video that's out there i'm tired of

1370
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,800
hearing mick west say that it's a jet 20

1371
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,760
miles away

1372
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,119
if there's another video show me the

1373
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,040
damn video right that's

1374
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,480
pretty much what it comes down to there

1375
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,280
was a lot of people arguing about why

1376
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,880
were the names censored on the letter

1377
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,559
when it was released well

1378
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,480
i got with robert and chris and we

1379
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:44,000
composed the letter and chris wrote a

1380
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,640
draft and

1381
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:46,240
any long story short everybody that

1382
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:47,680
signed it you can see it says we can

1383
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,800
release this

1384
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,640
publicly you know after this date if we

1385
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,000
don't get a reply we got no

1386
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:54,800
reply by the way we sent faxes we sent

1387
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,200
emails we sent voicemails we sent

1388
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,240
our certified hard copies no response

1389
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,480
not even a thank you [\h__\h] you goodbye

1390
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,440
all right thank you senator warner's

1391
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,400
rubio

1392
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,559
um michael fesner of the uh senate

1393
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:10,240
subcommittee attend on intelligence i

1394
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:11,200
think is the title

1395
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,270
what i want to emphasize is it's not

1396
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:19,359
just me right the goal here was to get

1397
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,160
something

1398
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:22,319
we could all agree upon as as scientists

1399
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,359
or rational

1400
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,520
people and request it and you've got you

1401
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,800
know serious

1402
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,559
people there that some of them have

1403
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,280
active security clearances first of all

1404
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,720
why aren't they allowed to access the

1405
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,160
information anyway because there are

1406
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,839
laws that say you can't overclassify

1407
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,880
something

1408
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,400
on that whole another thing right but

1409
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,599
this was the kind of stuff that chris

1410
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,640
helped guide us with

1411
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,880
so i want to give him due credit on that

1412
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,319
right if you read the actual letter and

1413
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,920
it does say you know here's a law saying

1414
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,200
that you can't hold it right

1415
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,880
yeah he works within the system so

1416
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,480
certainly he knows how to navigate it

1417
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:52,480
better than some people would

1418
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,920
be an outsider right yeah yeah and

1419
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,920
you know the again the request there is

1420
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,680
just let

1421
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,599
we can open source figure this [\h__\h] out

1422
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,040
if you release the data right

1423
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,559
i mean if you put the video out there we

1424
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,319
can figure it out just like just like

1425
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,839
people have figured out the roswell

1426
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,040
slides or

1427
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,720
whatever else right but yeah and you

1428
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,400
don't want to restrict it

1429
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,319
the reason that i want to see the data

1430
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:17,760
is because i'm tired of relying on

1431
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,440
witnesses who say things like this craft

1432
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,640
uh had no visible means of propulsion or

1433
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,160
this craft

1434
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,960
defied the laws of physics i want to see

1435
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,280
the data that proves these statements

1436
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,440
and the radar tapes would prove or

1437
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,520
disprove those statements

1438
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:38,160
i would think yeah and i you'd have to

1439
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,440
check i would have to double check i

1440
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,880
think robert said that they

1441
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,960
pretty quickly said no data no nothing

1442
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,480
of it from what i recall

1443
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,920
i don't know if that's right but he

1444
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,520
didn't get much i'll put it that way so

1445
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,559
well

1446
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:50,640
it also begs the question like okay so

1447
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:03,270
i think he froze up

1448
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:15,270
you're frozen you can see me

1449
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,270
i can't see you i see you frozen

1450
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,309
should i jump back in wait

1451
00:51:15,270 --> 00:50:25,829
i'm gonna leave and come back if you can

1452
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,950
wow sorry friends i don't know we have

1453
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,400
some kind of hiccup uh

1454
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,319
and that may be because my children are

1455
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,640
still awake and probably have 17

1456
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:25,839
internet devices going at once so

1457
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,150
yeah so tim's muted himself uh i guess

1458
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:39,760
he noticed the hiccup

1459
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,079
so you know uh i was saying that this

1460
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,640
doesn't make sense that there's no data

1461
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,559
it makes absolutely no sense there's no

1462
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:50,640
data because if they've got

1463
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,920
unknown craft flying near aircraft

1464
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:54,880
carriers

1465
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,319
they should have and have kept the data

1466
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,480
and it doesn't make any sense to me it

1467
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:01,920
makes no sense to me

1468
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,839
that there's no data i'm sorry

1469
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,280
i don't know what this hiccup thing is

1470
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,440
is going on but i try to

1471
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,200
you know kill other stuff that may be

1472
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,440
causing bandwidth issues so

1473
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,440
you know what i was saying is there's

1474
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,119
two possibilities either they're

1475
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,720
telling the truth and they really didn't

1476
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:21,359
keep the data or

1477
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,920
they're incompetent because it's okay

1478
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,920
if there's if there's unknown craft

1479
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,680
flying near aircraft carriers

1480
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,599
they should have the radar data they

1481
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:33,200
should have kept a couple of things yeah

1482
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:33,839
a couple

1483
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,440
the data data was taken by the air force

1484
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,359
right somebody claims that

1485
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,079
um it is weird because it's almost on on

1486
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,760
a surface level or a

1487
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,440
secondary level they don't know what's

1488
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,880
going on but there's a suggestion

1489
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,319
there's a deeper level at which someone

1490
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:50,079
might because that data was taken by

1491
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:50,640
somebody

1492
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:54,480
right um sure and again the claim i

1493
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,359
think was made that

1494
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,440
what the air force landed and came and

1495
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,800
grabbed men and black came and took it

1496
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,079
basically right

1497
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,079
yeah uh when in doubt you got to blame

1498
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,640
the men in black

1499
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:07,040
yeah that's what it is that's what boyle

1500
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,640
stands for i've seen it

1501
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,160
well time and time again with some of

1502
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,000
these stories it's like it says so let's

1503
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:13,760
see it's saying something though right i

1504
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,079
mean

1505
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,800
we we had the proof but the men in black

1506
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,760
landed

1507
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,880
they're not gonna come in wearing

1508
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:20,480
[\h__\h] pink jumpsuits they're gonna be

1509
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:21,280
wearing black

1510
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:24,559
you know i don't know yeah i guess

1511
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,800
were there three of them

1512
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,280
it certainly does doesn't it yeah well

1513
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:33,040
hey so even as a

1514
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:36,240
pretty pretty uh affirmed skeptic

1515
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,680
you know still uh although it's people

1516
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:41,200
will sometimes say it's whether you're a

1517
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,079
member of

1518
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,160
an scu ufo group if you're a skeptic but

1519
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,839
i'm an open skeptic you know i want i

1520
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,200
want to see more data all right so

1521
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,960
people are pointing out in the live chat

1522
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,000
that there's more than

1523
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,480
two possibilities yeah there's infinite

1524
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,760
possibilities because one of the

1525
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,680
other possibilities is that they claim

1526
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:57,680
the data is classified so they can't let

1527
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,240
it out

1528
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,400
but they don't say that they say we

1529
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:01,520
don't have it

1530
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,119
we haven't had any data they should say

1531
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,119
this is a national security this is

1532
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,559
exempted from foia

1533
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,119
based on national security concerns we

1534
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:12,880
can't keep right

1535
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:16,640
you know yeah yeah i don't know man i

1536
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,119
don't know

1537
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,599
but and i'm not even necessarily of the

1538
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:21,280
mind that it's just gonna show anything

1539
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:22,160
dramatic or

1540
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,920
you know i i don't we still after all

1541
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,119
this time don't have a

1542
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,359
good reliable non-disputable even really

1543
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,800
close-up photo of something that we can

1544
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:32,800
all point at and say hey

1545
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,160
you know that's what it is but

1546
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:39,280
yeah yeah i don't know i don't know man

1547
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,240
with the motivation

1548
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,480
i heard maybe i'm a sucker i try to give

1549
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,079
these guys a credit like

1550
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,839
uh when we heard or if you listen to

1551
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:48,000
chris mellen on joe rogan it sounds like

1552
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,480
he's

1553
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,440
what he had he had a sighting of his own

1554
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,520
i think as a kid or something right

1555
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,599
if i remember the story so you know

1556
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:57,200
london seems a

1557
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,400
fair enough story right but the more

1558
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,760
interesting thing to me is that he could

1559
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,280
be at the level he had gotten to and not

1560
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,280
really have seen

1561
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,119
whatever unless he's seen something he's

1562
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,280
not you know given any clues about

1563
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,160
you know it sounds to me like i don't

1564
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,280
know i don't think that we're going to

1565
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,119
see anybody wheel out a dead alien

1566
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,760
or or even a great photo showing

1567
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,960
something indisputable

1568
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,200
you know i think it's a mystery but and

1569
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,559
again somebody took the data like you

1570
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:21,599
say

1571
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:29,430
yeah you know some of the things that he

1572
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:30,240
said though like

1573
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,160
didn't he say that like uh you know it's

1574
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:36,240
probably not drones because drones have

1575
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:37,520
a short flight time

1576
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,880
yeah he's gotta know with his background

1577
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,079
that there are drones

1578
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,880
that can stay in the air for like weeks

1579
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:45,760
at a time

1580
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:49,440
with very advanced power systems that

1581
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,319
they have

1582
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:52,400
i mean there's nuclear batteries that's

1583
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,440
what runs uh

1584
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,240
satellites you know there's so it's

1585
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,440
weird because you know who knows what

1586
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,839
somebody else knows right especially

1587
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,720
in a certain position we want to assume

1588
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:04,319
i should assume you know that he knows

1589
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,200
about some of these

1590
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,760
long flight drone projects that they

1591
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,799
have that

1592
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,720
you know they they've got drones that

1593
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:12,640
can stay at least for

1594
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,000
a day a full-on day can stay

1595
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,200
in the air so something like that

1596
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,400
sorry i don't want to cut you off go

1597
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:22,079
ahead yes i just mean that his

1598
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,680
explanation of like well it can't be

1599
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,440
drones because they have such a short

1600
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,040
flight time

1601
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,040
yeah like if i went to walmart and

1602
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,880
bought one off the shelf it would have

1603
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:32,720
been 25 minute flight time

1604
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,920
if i'm lucky but the military has the

1605
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,359
good ones that can

1606
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,599
they can stay that could stay in the air

1607
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,960
for days i think

1608
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,559
you know yeah and i don't know

1609
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,799
specifically what events he was

1610
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,079
talking about either you know because

1611
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,160
i've heard like lou try to tie

1612
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,559
maybe i i've heard people try to tie in

1613
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:52,319
the lani zamora thing to the tic tac

1614
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,440
you know and they kind of make that

1615
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,079
narrative so they maybe more generally

1616
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,720
i don't know man i don't you know but uh

1617
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,960
yeah it would be surprising

1618
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,520
and maybe that wouldn't do this i've

1619
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,119
said this before to somebody else but i

1620
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,559
found it interesting that in one of i

1621
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,559
think was it one of jacques ballet's uh

1622
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:10,400
forbidden science journal you know we

1623
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:11,599
had the three journal volumes or

1624
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:12,160
whatever

1625
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,440
he mentioned when he was working with

1626
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,880
highneck and dealing with people at the

1627
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,319
pentagon he was surprised

1628
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,400
that the people that were actually doing

1629
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,760
this [\h__\h] with him in hindi

1630
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,280
they opened their briefcases and like

1631
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,799
the sources that they were getting their

1632
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,880
info from was like you know brad steiger

1633
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,240
star children and

1634
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:28,160
or you know valet's anatomy often these

1635
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,359
were the books that they were using to

1636
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,200
figure out what the hell was going on

1637
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,160
as their resources you know instead of

1638
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:35,839
we'd like to think that they had a lab

1639
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,839
with a crashed alien and all kinds of

1640
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,799
yeah

1641
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:43,040
somebody mentioned in the live chat he

1642
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,079
went a little too far

1643
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,599
because he was involved with paula

1644
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,280
harris who is one of those people that

1645
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,599
believes every single alien story she

1646
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:51,280
hears

1647
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:54,160
you know i can't argue with you yeah

1648
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:55,200
yeah

1649
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,319
melisa mentions in the live chat that

1650
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:02,720
military drones can flight for like 60

1651
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:03,599
hours in a row

1652
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:06,480
yes so the statement that the flight

1653
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,839
time can't be a drone because their

1654
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,200
flight time is too short

1655
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,680
it's confusing to me again there's some

1656
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,040
i don't i don't know

1657
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,680
what yeah yeah i don't know specifically

1658
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:18,400
which what event though there he was

1659
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:22,000
but yeah i you know it's

1660
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:23,440
don't know i'll be surprised if it turns

1661
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,480
out that there's a whole lot more

1662
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,319
information

1663
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:28,640
um released you know it'd be nice if

1664
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,440
they

1665
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,440
honored the request that we we sent them

1666
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,520
we had you know what 52

1667
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,000
people half of more phds and chris

1668
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,480
mellon signed it

1669
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:40,079
plenty of other people i won't just drop

1670
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,520
names but you know

1671
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,040
legitimate people that would like to see

1672
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,720
the rest of the video if it's available

1673
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,079
then we sent the request

1674
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,119
by the mechanism in which this you know

1675
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,400
this government we're supposed to

1676
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:52,880
request it and you know

1677
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:56,079
now what right yeah

1678
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,839
um yeah i i i'm just

1679
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,440
you know what it's frustrating to me

1680
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:03,040
because there's there's information out

1681
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:03,760
there but

1682
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:07,359
so much of it needs like a second

1683
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,559
like run of of clarification so that

1684
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,119
yeah yeah that was what i was gonna you

1685
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,960
know we do have a lot of data already

1686
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:16,400
that we need to figure out a way to deal

1687
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:16,960
with

1688
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,240
uh i'm thinking of like databases and

1689
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,400
stuff that could eventually be

1690
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:24,240
lost if we don't preserve them you know

1691
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,760
like ballet's got all these large

1692
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:27,119
databases of sightings that he's

1693
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:28,640
collected over the years but i don't

1694
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,440
think

1695
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,319
most of those those old school ufo

1696
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:34,319
databases have been preserved by anybody

1697
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:34,880
other than

1698
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,319
you know randomly but like the larry

1699
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,920
hatch database had what these hundreds

1700
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,200
or thousands of

1701
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:43,119
sightings you know when he went to the

1702
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:44,319
trouble of putting them all in and

1703
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,599
organized them for way

1704
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,359
so all that information is around

1705
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,280
somewhere but there's no

1706
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,839
centralized mechanism or people that you

1707
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,319
know kind of act as a repository i know

1708
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,559
jacques i didn't he get with was it

1709
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,839
stanley krippner at

1710
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,520
university of new mexico to start

1711
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,760
storing certain stuff

1712
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,359
yeah i think i had heard something that

1713
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,599
he was going to start

1714
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,920
archiving all his old stuff and making

1715
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,119
it available online for other

1716
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,200
researchers but then i did not

1717
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,079
i didn't follow up or here if they

1718
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,599
actually did that

1719
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,000
you know yeah a lot of these people have

1720
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:19,760
got all these paper files

1721
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,040
you know it's only um it's only about an

1722
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,880
hour from me the stanton friedman

1723
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,240
archive that they're putting in that

1724
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,680
college

1725
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,359
the name escapes me of the actual

1726
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,079
college but there's like

1727
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,119
85 boxes of his papers that are in

1728
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,960
yeah you can go there and go through

1729
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:38,960
that all right and i believe grant

1730
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,160
cameron has

1731
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:42,799
so far been the only person in there and

1732
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:43,440
he just

1733
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,280
you know has been dripping stuff out

1734
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,760
well it's long been the thing in ufos to

1735
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,760
want to harass the government for

1736
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,680
shouldn't say that to to want the

1737
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:55,359
government to come out with the answers

1738
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,799
and that's always been like a

1739
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:59,040
part top part of the you know ufo

1740
01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:00,640
attention always goes to

1741
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:01,839
they've got to tell us what they know

1742
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,559
about ufos it's always a big you know

1743
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,160
yeah but yeah there's plenty of stuff

1744
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,960
there that people could focus on

1745
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:11,599
you know data that's available already

1746
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,559
you know

1747
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:15,359
um it's not as glamorous of course so

1748
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:16,079
can you tell me

1749
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,680
background what is your phd in and what

1750
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,640
are your degrees in

1751
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:22,720
i'm just curious yeah yeah no worries i

1752
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,680
wouldn't uh

1753
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,839
my four-year degree i went in pensacola

1754
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,680
florida but my hometown gulf breeze

1755
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,880
basically that's how i got interested in

1756
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,319
ufos by the way was

1757
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,240
i grew up in gulf breeze when ed walters

1758
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,319
in the 90s was photographing all his

1759
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,520
nonsense right so anyway i went to

1760
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,880
yeah i went to high school college in

1761
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,880
pensacola there uh at the west florida

1762
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,240
university and then

1763
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,359
uh got my master's degree and my phd at

1764
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:46,559
university of georgia

1765
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:50,079
in athens uh in cognitive experimental

1766
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,880
psychology

1767
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,880
generally so a little bit of

1768
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,880
neuroscience a little bit of judgment

1769
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,000
decision making

1770
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,160
a little bit of threat assessment i

1771
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:00,880
worked in a flight sim lab for a while

1772
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:03,599
um but from there directly mostly

1773
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:04,160
teaching

1774
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:05,760
all right so you know what they say

1775
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,760
those who can't do teach right so i've

1776
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,280
been a professor

1777
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,760
i've worked a little bit for for uh

1778
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,680
biomed trying to make some money in a

1779
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:14,960
private industry and

1780
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,440
trying to go back into teaching but yeah

1781
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,359
so university of georgia

1782
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,200
um one of my mentors had a flight

1783
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,119
simulation lab there that

1784
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:24,960
that i like i said i worked in for very

1785
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:26,079
briefly but that would have been the

1786
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,960
perfect kind of

1787
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:29,280
thing you could apply you know to to

1788
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:30,079
ufos

1789
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:31,680
right if there was some interest or some

1790
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,559
funding this was something i'd you know

1791
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:36,319
send up the chain to somebody right we

1792
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,039
if we could do some like 3d modeling or

1793
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,280
have some simulations done and have

1794
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,359
these guys that witness this favor or

1795
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:45,359
whoever wants to volunteer right come in

1796
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,920
and

1797
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,920
do some perceptual testing stuff like

1798
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:50,160
that that that'd be a route to go

1799
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:53,119
um you know anything that'll happen or

1800
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:53,920
not i don't know

1801
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,720
but be interesting i would like to see i

1802
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:57,680
would like to see

1803
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,520
more research and into this field from

1804
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,039
you know more credible scientific

1805
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:05,039
sources and not so many

1806
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:07,280
crackpots running around accepting

1807
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,079
whatever

1808
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:10,400
you know yeah yeah and i'll give lou

1809
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,520
elizondo credit i

1810
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,680
i saw him calling out the thing about

1811
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:15,119
grier with the flares and

1812
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,160
all that nonsense you know and uh

1813
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:20,319
yeah but don't you see don't you don't

1814
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:23,760
you think that there seems to be this

1815
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,039
competitive uh backbiting between the

1816
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,200
the top tier you know like the ufo

1817
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,280
celebrities are always like

1818
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:34,319
that guy's full of crap but i have the

1819
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,960
truth

1820
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,799
you know yeah i was gonna say there is

1821
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:38,240
always some there's always some you know

1822
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,960
i'm gonna

1823
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:41,359
you know kiss you in the face and punch

1824
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:42,640
you in the balls at the same time kind

1825
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,760
of thing going on

1826
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,520
that's a good way to put it that's a

1827
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,799
perfect analogy

1828
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:49,520
yeah you know yeah and they always do

1829
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,920
yeah

1830
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:51,520
some of them do do it like like you got

1831
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,720
to feed somebody you got to feed

1832
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,559
somebody to the wolves right

1833
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:56,319
and i guess really you know if you do

1834
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:57,359
the people that we're going to agree

1835
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,000
upon are going

1836
01:04:01,430 --> 01:04:00,880
to be you know some of it's so obvious

1837
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:01,440
but

1838
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,240
it's it's like any kind of what you

1839
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,839
might want to i hate to use the term

1840
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,000
fake news but misinformation or just

1841
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:10,319
displaying one side of any kind of you

1842
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:11,280
know

1843
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:14,400
it's can have obvious negative results

1844
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:14,880
you know

1845
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:17,119
but i don't know again the request that

1846
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,000
we sent was

1847
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,480
it's a foia request just please people

1848
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,839
are arguing about what the hell this

1849
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:23,520
thing is and you've said you don't know

1850
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:24,000
so let

1851
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,280
people try to figure it out in the

1852
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,440
public realm

1853
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:29,119
um and again when they're specific if

1854
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,640
you read the act i think on the scu

1855
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,119
website there's actual specifics about

1856
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:35,039
you know there is this law against over

1857
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,400
classifying something so if it's

1858
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:38,000
pertinent to that you can't argue that

1859
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:39,039
right if it's

1860
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:40,559
if it's because it reels methods well

1861
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,680
you've already stated that it doesn't

1862
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,880
reveal

1863
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,720
so again chris was helpful in putting

1864
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:46,160
some of that language together so i

1865
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:47,440
you know there's no good argument for

1866
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:50,079
them not doing it they probably won't

1867
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,119
having said that but um the only thing

1868
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,720
that i do again find it interesting that

1869
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:56,559
we didn't even get a form letter

1870
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,559
right i would think because i know

1871
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,880
people that have sent letters to their

1872
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:02,400
representatives and they get a thank you

1873
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:03,680
letter or whatever you know and i've

1874
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,039
gotten them myself but

1875
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,680
not even nothing so i made me think

1876
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:09,119
maybe they were actually considering it

1877
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:09,839
but i don't know

1878
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:12,960
you know yeah yeah

1879
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,079
you know i'd be interested to see though

1880
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:18,160
you know i would think that that by law

1881
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,839
they should have to respond

1882
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,640
this whole system is a joke oh yeah yeah

1883
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,839
yeah of course you know that's the thing

1884
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,119
if they say no records

1885
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,880
there's no there's no mechanism really

1886
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,240
by which and this is where

1887
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,559
like john greenwald and robert again

1888
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,480
they know this this stuff right that

1889
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,799
if they respond no records you almost

1890
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,480
have to have

1891
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:38,880
something that already references the

1892
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,920
record that you need

1893
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,680
if that makes sense to display that it

1894
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,119
exists right

1895
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:45,839
so to show the in to show that you need

1896
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,880
you know this letter from this guy to

1897
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:48,000
this guy you need to have

1898
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:49,200
something showing that he wrote the

1899
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,559
letter in the first place to prove that

1900
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:51,680
it's there

1901
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:54,880
i don't know any full your requests are

1902
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,520
more patience than i have you know but

1903
01:06:02,789 --> 01:05:59,359
yeah i've only filed a few

1904
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:02,799
and i got i waited for like

1905
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:05,680
i don't know over a year to get nothing

1906
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,799
to get there

1907
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:09,280
we have no records you know yeah

1908
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:11,039
pertinent to your request

1909
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:14,559
and i had several sources that said oh

1910
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,520
no there's the

1911
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:17,359
they have the records but wouldn't it

1912
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:18,720
right yeah

1913
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:20,240
yeah exactly yeah so i was gonna say you

1914
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:23,200
don't go into the network that worked

1915
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,000
in or around this incident that said

1916
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:28,079
they seen the records and i want to see

1917
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,480
them

1918
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,640
like you know it's just a cat and mouse

1919
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,640
game at some point like

1920
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,880
okay going back to even the the thing in

1921
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,720
june right so one of the issues we have

1922
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,160
with the stuff that is available

1923
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:40,079
is people have signed nda agreements

1924
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:41,760
that the people that developed the

1925
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,240
gimbal

1926
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:44,000
and the camera and all that [\h__\h] they

1927
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,520
signed that there because

1928
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,000
lockheed or sorry raytheon right you

1929
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:49,760
know paid them all this money for their

1930
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:50,799
and

1931
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,240
trade secrets right i mean they can't

1932
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,760
just go out and say here's here's how

1933
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:54,720
the flear

1934
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:57,200
does this because whoever else is going

1935
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,319
to steal you know but

1936
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,160
if there was some mechanism my point

1937
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:01,920
being by which you could release people

1938
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,640
of ndas for things that were not

1939
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:06,480
only i don't know how you were right but

1940
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:09,119
you know only related to ufos not our

1941
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,760
personal

1942
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,839
commercial [\h__\h] i don't know but you

1943
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:13,200
know same thing with with government

1944
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,720
witnesses if you could actually convey

1945
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:15,839
to people that you're not going to

1946
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,440
prosecute them for

1947
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,720
and having said that there are a lot of

1948
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:20,319
people that for years have told stories

1949
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:20,799
about

1950
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:24,640
that

1951
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,240
the script and

1952
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,400
so he never got prosecuted as far as i

1953
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,920
know i guess we're in the golden you

1954
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:33,520
know i don't know man

1955
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:36,319
i never threw him in jail i don't know

1956
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,119
so i guess you're

1957
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,799
you know but if i worked for raytheon

1958
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,559
and i built the camera i'd probably be

1959
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:43,119
hesitant about answering questions that

1960
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,240
are you know

1961
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,839
somebody was asking about how it worked

1962
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,000
because of ufo stuff so

1963
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:51,200
understandable you know yeah absolutely

1964
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,559
well uh listen uh we we drop

1965
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,640
time moves quickly when we're talk i

1966
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,559
could tell for hours so

1967
01:08:02,789 --> 01:08:00,880
we were just past an hour i have a

1968
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,799
musical guest to play tonight so we

1969
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,039
could both take a very short break

1970
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:07,680
and come back try to wrap up our

1971
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,039
discussion

1972
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:11,359
cool cool all right man let me see about

1973
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,400
doing that

1974
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,720
i uh i'm a little out of sorts today

1975
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:15,760
because i totally

1976
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:19,199
cleaned my studio and office

1977
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:22,239
room here and i'm on different computer

1978
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:23,120
than i usually

1979
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:26,960
am and everything is yeah

1980
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:28,480
no worries i'm gonna go check in here in

1981
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:29,600
the house real quick so i'll be right

1982
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:30,319
back

1983
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,440
sure i'm gonna drop you out as well so

1984
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:35,279
friends uh

1985
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:38,880
i'm we're continuing in this uh

1986
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,520
playing uh a musical guest and uh

1987
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:43,199
tonight's musical guest is once again

1988
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:43,839
jason

1989
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:46,719
paul elder uh with his excellent song we

1990
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,440
are one

1991
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:50,400
that i actually recorded in my studio in

1992
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,520
philadelphia

1993
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:53,440
quite some time now i think this song is

1994
01:09:01,829 --> 01:08:57,839
from geez gotta be 2004 maybe even 2006

1995
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:01,839
so um yeah

1996
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:04,960
and uh we're gonna take a short break

1997
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,600
and bring you our musical guest jason

1998
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:09,199
paul elder and we'll be right back to

1999
01:09:22,440 --> 01:09:10,719
wrap up the discussion

2000
01:09:22,450 --> 01:09:47,269
[Music]

2001
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:53,200
the pleasure of our skin

2002
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:00,830
[Music]

2003
01:10:09,970 --> 01:10:02,280
is

2004
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:14,830
[Music]

2005
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:36,340
voice

2006
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:42,830
[Music]

2007
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:50,940
me

2008
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:56,830
[Music]

2009
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:05,070
me

2010
01:11:12,330 --> 01:11:10,830
[Music]

2011
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:12,340
so

2012
01:11:20,710 --> 01:11:24,830
[Music]

2013
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:34,070
reaching

2014
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,830
[Music]

2015
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:52,830
please

2016
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:58,880
is

2017
01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:20,830
[Music]

2018
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:34,830
me

2019
01:13:04,630 --> 01:12:51,220
yes

2020
01:13:10,189 --> 01:13:07,750
hey friends uh so it would appear

2021
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,199
that i was wrong uh that song is from

2022
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,159
2010

2023
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:15,120
um i may have been mistaking another

2024
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,320
song that he recorded with me earlier um

2025
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:20,080
i think that was on his from his

2026
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:23,920
third album actually um

2027
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:27,199
so we're gonna bring our guest back here

2028
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,880
there we go man hey that was good stuff

2029
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,880
by the way it was good music i like that

2030
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,480
yeah i you know it's funny i just

2031
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,920
reconnected with him i used to record

2032
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,679
him at my studio in philadelphia and i

2033
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,520
needed musical guests and he's got a

2034
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,120
huge catalog so

2035
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,840
nice guys you can use any song you want

2036
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,840
as long as you spell my name right and

2037
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:46,880
whatever

2038
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:50,239
song that is that i think it's nice to

2039
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:51,520
be able to take a break too

2040
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,360
for sure yeah man

2041
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,920
you know sorry yeah my wife's making

2042
01:14:03,590 --> 01:13:59,760
tacos so i'm like

2043
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:03,600
watching the tacos yeah we gotta wrap

2044
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,480
things up

2045
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:06,560
uh pretty soon but yeah i mean i've

2046
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,480
certainly

2047
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:11,120
yeah i it's very interesting but i want

2048
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,920
to ask you guys

2049
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:13,679
for your i always ask people this for

2050
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,440
their bottom line you've been

2051
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:17,440
you've been looking into this for quite

2052
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,719
some time

2053
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:21,600
i i'm of the opinion that a very very

2054
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:22,320
very very

2055
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,480
of these things may in fact be alien

2056
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:30,560
spacecraft or interdimensional or

2057
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:33,600
or something truly paranormal or

2058
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,640
not earthly but that

2059
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,360
that's few and far between and that most

2060
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,280
of it i believe is man-made objects

2061
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,040
hoaxes

2062
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,280
misidentified craft what what is your

2063
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,199
take on this thing having studied it for

2064
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:48,880
so long

2065
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,920
yeah i'm i'm pretty similar there where

2066
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,719
you're at but

2067
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,520
as a you know going through watching

2068
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,600
ufos for 30 years and meeting the people

2069
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:58,880
and seeing the

2070
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:01,760
evidence and the you know it becoming

2071
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:04,159
educated in human psychology and

2072
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,800
i'd say probably 80 percent if i had to

2073
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:08,719
i don't have a one hand you know any

2074
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:11,440
any singular answer but most of it i

2075
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:12,080
think is

2076
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,840
david halperin did a great does a great

2077
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,360
job of discussing as

2078
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,679
uh ufos are from interspace or something

2079
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:18,800
right you know it's a

2080
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,400
human a human phenomenon based on

2081
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:24,480
i don't know right that's one one of the

2082
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,600
many theories

2083
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,080
doesn't explain you know good sightings

2084
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:29,760
of physical craft right then you've got

2085
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:30,239
the

2086
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:33,920
don't know i've

2087
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,400
i'm skeptical of it i'd give it maybe 10

2088
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,320
odds if i had to bet right

2089
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,800
um pretty yeah it's pretty out yeah it's

2090
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:41,840
pretty i'd probably go

2091
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:44,159
i'd go paranormal before i went e.t just

2092
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:44,880
i don't know

2093
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:49,040
but

2094
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:52,159
it's uh yeah i

2095
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,840
i certainly don't think we'll see any

2096
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:55,679
short-term answers if we get some

2097
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:57,120
promise to maybe keep getting some

2098
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:57,840
follow-up

2099
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,199
you know maybe have a

2100
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,760
you know have an annual report or have a

2101
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:05,440
an ongoing team of people

2102
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,640
but then again you go back to having

2103
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:08,480
what project blue book or i mean how do

2104
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:09,600
you

2105
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:12,719
george carlin said about the weather

2106
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:14,400
right it'll continue to change for a

2107
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:15,440
long time

2108
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:17,440
all right so ufos will continue to be

2109
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,640
sighted for a long time and that's i

2110
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:22,640
don't know you know that's my

2111
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,679
psychology angle at least i'm from that

2112
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,199
perspective right

2113
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:29,199
well you know listen i i really

2114
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,719
appreciate you taking the time to just

2115
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:32,320
have a talk with me

2116
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,760
yeah man keep doing what you're doing

2117
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:35,520
man and uh you know

2118
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,320
people there's no i like how you know

2119
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,760
you'll call people out and and

2120
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,840
people will people like helping or get

2121
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:43,360
on i'll get on it's not you don't have

2122
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:43,600
to

2123
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,679
have this elitism attitude within

2124
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:47,760
[\h__\h] ufos or whatever else you know

2125
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,560
just

2126
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,000
you know shoot the [\h__\h] and be honest

2127
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,239
man i'll i'll spread the word so

2128
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,159
talk to jeremy mcgowan too he's uh he's

2129
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,840
just does the osiris thing

2130
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,520
yeah i'd like to get some other goals

2131
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:59,199
and i was going to ask you if you could

2132
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,840
send some

2133
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:01,280
some of your friends oh yeah sure man

2134
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:02,560
but yeah thanks for the time brother

2135
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:02,880
yeah

2136
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,960
i'll keep uh as jim mosley you say keep

2137
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,080
your eye on the sky

2138
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,280
right yeah watching the skies right keep

2139
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:10,800
watching the skies we might just get

2140
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:11,679
some answers

2141
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:15,760
right i like to yeah

2142
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,840
all right man i'm going to sign off here

2143
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:20,320
so you can go eat some tacos

2144
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,719
take care man good night all right

2145
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:23,520
friends so

2146
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,199
there we are um yeah i just wanted to do

2147
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:28,880
sort of an informal talk

2148
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,840
uh with tim and and uh see where he's at

2149
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:33,360
on some of this stuff and

2150
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,239
and what some of his experience has been

2151
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:38,400
studying it

2152
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,840
and what his take on it was and i wanted

2153
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,000
to bring you guys with me and i've got

2154
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,280
to do that today which is uh it's always

2155
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:49,040
a good thing

2156
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:52,960
to allow

2157
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,840
allow to bring you guys with me not

2158
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:58,080
allow

2159
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,239
going to dedicate my full and total

2160
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,239
attention to the live chat now so if you

2161
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,320
have comments or questions for me

2162
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:08,880
please do put them in all caps let me

2163
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,520
see

2164
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:11,120
matthew says yeah but if random people

2165
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,560
on the internet can spot

2166
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,880
problems with their narrative there's

2167
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:16,560
got to be trained spooks that can

2168
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:17,600
diagnose it

2169
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:20,159
uh yeah i would tend to agree with you i

2170
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:20,640
would

2171
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:23,840
tend to agree with you um

2172
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:26,640
it's uh it's kind of one of those things

2173
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:27,920
right like

2174
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:33,750
it's interesting i would think that the

2175
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,800
government

2176
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,640
i i don't know you know part of me

2177
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:38,000
thinks the government knows more than

2178
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:40,000
they're telling us and then part of me

2179
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:47,110
how badly the government is run how

2180
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,000
inefficient

2181
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,120
right and how like

2182
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:53,920
you know i mean look how well the dmv is

2183
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:54,480
run

2184
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:55,840
right do you really think that the

2185
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,120
military has run better i would hope so

2186
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:02,560
but you know or these uip programs right

2187
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:05,440
government people i don't know

2188
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,760
government jobs it's like they just

2189
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:10,560
they they're not really on the ball if

2190
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,159
you ask me because it's kind of like a

2191
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:14,880
guaranteed job and paycheck and you know

2192
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,159
you know there is definitely a lot of

2193
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,080
incompetence in government

2194
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,000
which makes me think maybe they don't

2195
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,880
know any more than they're telling us

2196
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,440
right because they haven't done the work

2197
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:29,360
that they need to do

2198
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:33,520
in order to you know

2199
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:36,400
come up with some real answers right i

2200
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:37,440
would like to see

2201
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:41,760
real answers but it appears to me that

2202
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:44,400
like i said they either don't know or

2203
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:45,920
they're not telling us

2204
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,560
either of either of those and there's

2205
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:50,239
probably more possibilities of course

2206
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,560
but

2207
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:52,400
you know these are some of the things

2208
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:53,920
that i think about like what

2209
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:56,960
what if they really don't know anything

2210
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,080
and there is no cover-up but i've seen

2211
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,320
enough myself to say that sometimes they

2212
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:04,080
just don't want to release the records

2213
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:04,719
and

2214
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:07,920
there's nothing that you could do

2215
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,920
you know if they tell you you can have

2216
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:11,280
it then you can have it

2217
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:14,800
if you if they you know if they don't

2218
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,040
want you to have it

2219
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,880
they're not going to give it to us and

2220
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:20,800
uh you know

2221
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:23,199
we should have laws in this country and

2222
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:44,070
they should

2223
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:58,830
well that's nice

2224
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:40,830
okay

2225
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:13,270
gary gary harry hurry

2226
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:15,669
now i think i got it there we go sorry

2227
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:16,639
friends

2228
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:19,920
i'm i'm really trying to do uh to

2229
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:23,360
fix this some of these audio issues

2230
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,719
so i apologize uh you know it's not

2231
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:28,719
always going as planned

2232
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:39,990
let me try this one more time

2233
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:42,400
sorry friends i'm trying to get the uh i

2234
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:43,199
was gonna see

2235
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:44,800
if we can't do a quick test of the

2236
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:47,440
multicam setup while i'm here

2237
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:50,239
and uh have some people in the audience

2238
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,239
i've done some recordings of this and it

2239
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,239
seems to be working

2240
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:57,199
without a guest i didn't realize but if

2241
01:23:14,709 --> 01:22:57,600
i

2242
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:18,149
okay

2243
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:21,750
one second

2244
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:24,080
yeah so i spent all day today actually

2245
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:24,800
honestly

2246
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:50,870
all day no this is not gonna work

2247
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:54,709
check one there we go i think i got it

2248
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,600
okay let me just check my check one more

2249
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,440
thing friends and please bear with me

2250
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,440
i spent all day trying to get this

2251
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:03,040
multi-cam set

2252
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:06,560
setup working and

2253
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:16,550
check if it's working

2254
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,400
let's see six design says i don't doubt

2255
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:21,840
that there is a lot of people having

2256
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,320
given

2257
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,000
up on the government giving us answers

2258
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:25,920
especially given the insane technology

2259
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:26,400
we have

2260
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:31,280
currently at melisa yeah

2261
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:34,800
all right so uh what can i say friends

2262
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:56,470
i'm gonna solo

2263
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,830
try to get this going

2264
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,000
all right so you know i've been working

2265
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:04,080
on this multi-camera setup

2266
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:06,880
i'm not quite sure that it's uh working

2267
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:07,199
and

2268
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,040
going to be synchronized but i think uh

2269
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:13,520
twitch tv is 20 seconds ahead of youtube

2270
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,320
for some

2271
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:17,360
reason well that's really is weird right

2272
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:21,199
it's definitely weird but uh yeah so

2273
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:23,520
here we go with this multi-camera setup

2274
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,719
and i think

2275
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,239
it is definitely going to work it's

2276
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:28,320
going to take a little bit more

2277
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,960
um a little bit more a little bit more

2278
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,560
bubbles to work out

2279
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:35,040
and make sure that we got everything

2280
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,560
synchronized and working

2281
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:39,360
i'm kind of hesitant to make things more

2282
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:40,560
complicated

2283
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:43,360
uh like this but you know i i definitely

2284
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,560
think it looks

2285
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,560
looks pretty cool to be able to have the

2286
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,639
multiple cameras maybe

2287
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,880
be playing musical bumpers waiting for a

2288
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,239
guest or going back

2289
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:55,679
in and uh it definitely seems like it's

2290
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,400
working

2291
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:58,400
uh different cameras though and these

2292
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:59,920
cameras some of these cameras are kind

2293
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,639
of crappy

2294
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:03,600
but i wanted to try a multi-camera setup

2295
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,800
and see

2296
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:06,880
how it is that everybody likes it if you

2297
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:08,239
guys like this

2298
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,400
you know you do a portion of an

2299
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:12,159
interview this way

2300
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:15,199
um you know i've got this angle over

2301
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:16,639
here

2302
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:20,719
and uh sort of a closer a closer angle

2303
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:23,199
definitely would really like to have

2304
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:26,239
better webcams though look at that

2305
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,239
there's definitely a difference in

2306
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,639
quality as you can see

2307
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,880
we'll stick with the good camera excuse

2308
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:34,960
me pardon me

2309
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:41,750
yeah i got a couple of more shows for

2310
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,080
you

2311
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:44,400
coming up this week but i did spend the

2312
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:45,280
entire

2313
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,600
cleaning my office

2314
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,840
and studio here so that i could try to

2315
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,960
organize things

2316
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,880
and get a little more organized and

2317
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:56,560
that's certainly i'm

2318
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,520
it was terrible doing this all day

2319
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:01,040
honestly i don't like cleaning and

2320
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,719
organizing things but i'm glad that i

2321
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,800
did it because i feel better in here now

2322
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:06,400
like everything is

2323
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:09,520
you know everything is cleaned out and

2324
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,560
organized it's organized uh that's a

2325
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:14,239
50-inch tv back there i'm going to be

2326
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:16,480
playing like animations on that i

2327
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:19,679
i think if we can get

2328
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:22,800
if we can get this working right

2329
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:25,120
uh yeah so i guess i can have multiple

2330
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:26,159
camera angles

2331
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:29,920
like others and uh

2332
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,840
i'm not sure uh if it's worth

2333
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,280
complicating things though

2334
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,520
i mean one camera is enough i would

2335
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,000
assume especially if i'm just talking

2336
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:41,280
you know but uh

2337
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:44,080
there you go so the first live test of

2338
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:46,080
the multi-camera setup and i'm not sure

2339
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:48,080
about the angles and this and that yet

2340
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:48,560
and

2341
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,840
uh i may just get a couple of more of

2342
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:53,520
these good webcams

2343
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:56,639
and just do three you know like one far

2344
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:57,520
away

2345
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,120
one in front of me and one on the side

2346
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,159
uh honestly it's driving me a little

2347
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,000
crazy because although this

2348
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:08,639
it does appear that this works some of

2349
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,199
the cameras look good and some of them

2350
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:13,120
uh some of the cameras actually look

2351
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,239
terrible

2352
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,239
and it's so funny because these two are

2353
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,320
the exact same camera but at all

2354
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:21,120
it looks terrible not sure why that is

2355
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:22,000
but

2356
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,920
i think i'm going to continue to work on

2357
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,280
this for a little while

2358
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,840
and we'll see uh if it is something

2359
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:29,040
indeed that we

2360
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:33,199
feel we need to use uh

2361
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:37,040
it is it i kind of like it but then i

2362
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:38,800
don't want to complicate things and be

2363
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:41,600
worried about switching cameras you know

2364
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:44,000
but it's nice to have the capability

2365
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,600
so friends uh boy uh i've got a bunch

2366
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,280
more shows for you i feel like i'm way

2367
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:51,199
behind and i'm gonna do a show

2368
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,400
on this jimmy church and uh sarah r

2369
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:57,600
adams interview because it's comedy gold

2370
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,840
she got new super powers friends she got

2371
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:01,120
new super powers and we're going to

2372
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:02,960
cover the new super power she claims she

2373
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:04,480
got

2374
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,189
yeah thanks sixth design it pick

2375
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,360
pixelates a little on cam transitions

2376
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,360
for a short time clears up a few seconds

2377
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,280
later yeah and i have a feeling that if

2378
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:19,440
i had good webcams like this logitech

2379
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,320
that were

2380
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,159
you're viewing me from now that wouldn't

2381
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:24,719
be such an issue at least i'm told

2382
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,239
use all the same cameras but

2383
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:28,000
unfortunately that's kind of well to me

2384
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:29,199
it's expensive it's like a hundred

2385
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,560
dollar webcam

2386
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:33,120
and i don't you know i was like i don't

2387
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,840
know if i got

2388
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:36,000
200 bucks to buy two more but i think

2389
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:37,440
i'm gonna do that

2390
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,719
uh you know

2391
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:42,719
i think i'm definitely gonna do that

2392
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,840
because i like

2393
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:46,080
i like the other i like the other angles

2394
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:48,000
right and this one's funny because this

2395
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:49,199
one is

2396
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,760
old all-in-one computer that i threw

2397
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:55,360
over there so that i could get

2398
01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:59,280
an extra angle but it works

2399
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:01,120
and i guess you know you get to see a

2400
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:02,560
little bit more of the

2401
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,920
of the studio but you know this webcam

2402
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,360
is kind of crappy

2403
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:09,199
so it works you know that's another

2404
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:10,639
thing i'm gonna have to

2405
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,840
i'm gonna have to adjust oh you did it

2406
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:14,880
again melissa

2407
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:18,000
i saw a hundred bucks and i was like

2408
01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:21,440
that's a hundred pesos but we still

2409
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:24,800
absolutely appreciate and uh

2410
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,719
we appreciate and thank you for kindness

2411
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:30,639
your generosity and your support

2412
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:33,760
uh it's really great to see you though

2413
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:35,440
it's a little disappointing seeing 100

2414
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:36,880
and then realizing that's

2415
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:39,199
five u.s i think what was it last time

2416
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,880
right five u.s

2417
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:42,400
yeah you got me again i was like a

2418
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:43,920
hundred dollars oh

2419
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:48,000
100 pesos but i'll take 100 pesos melisa

2420
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,280
and thank you for kindness your

2421
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:51,840
generosity your support of the show

2422
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,070
every dollar definitely helps friends

2423
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:02,639
and you'll also notice look at this

2424
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,679
i got that big honking microphone

2425
01:31:09,189 --> 01:31:07,199
you know i didn't want it right in the

2426
01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:09,199
frame with me but now that i

2427
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:10,960
look i went to a different workstation

2428
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,880
just so i can improve the audio because

2429
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:14,239
that

2430
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:17,360
microphone for

2431
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:25,910
melissa says i uh laughed my ass

2432
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:27,679
i love you much steven thanks for the

2433
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,360
great effort you're welcome

2434
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:31,760
i i'm glad somebody supports it i'm here

2435
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:33,440
every day working really hard trying to

2436
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:34,719
improve the show

2437
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:36,800
i mean look you know now we're going to

2438
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,719
have these multiple camera angles you'll

2439
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:40,239
be able to see a little more of the

2440
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:41,120
studio

2441
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:43,120
a little more of me that might be a bad

2442
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:44,639
thing right maybe i should have some

2443
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:45,920
camera angles

2444
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:49,120
that aren't on me right

2445
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:51,679
nobody i'm not sure that anybody wants

2446
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:52,639
to see

2447
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:56,000
more of me right and there's the grainy

2448
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:56,719
one

2449
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,679
well maybe that's better maybe it's

2450
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:03,520
better in the dark i don't know i've got

2451
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:04,880
a fader here

2452
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:08,960
no that's terrible terrible quality

2453
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:12,960
no matter where i i show it

2454
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:16,080
yeah so there you go genocide with a

2455
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:17,120
kind and generous

2456
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:20,000
offering of one dollar u.s thank you for

2457
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:21,520
your kindness your generosity your

2458
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:23,120
support of the show and continue to

2459
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,480
support the show

2460
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:26,400
it really does make a difference it

2461
01:32:30,149 --> 01:32:27,840
really does help

2462
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:30,159
and we appreciate all of you guys

2463
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:32,400
throwing a couple of bucks in the hat

2464
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:34,960
so that i can maybe buy a couple more

2465
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:35,920
webcams and

2466
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:39,280
it'll look like these angles but

2467
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:42,400
like not all shitty and you know

2468
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,679
pixelated or this one's way too dark

2469
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:47,280
look at that with the light off it's

2470
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:49,840
like you can barely see me

2471
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:52,000
and it's so funny because over here it's

2472
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:53,360
still plenty bright

2473
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:56,159
i don't know you know i got maybe i

2474
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:57,360
should work on the lights

2475
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:58,960
but and that's another thing if i

2476
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,639
complicate this setup with

2477
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:02,400
these multi-camera angles i'm gonna have

2478
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:04,880
to be riding the faders

2479
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:08,400
to get it to not you know

2480
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:13,600
look quite so dark yeah

2481
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:16,400
yeah friends i think maybe uh you know

2482
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:18,960
that old rule like keep it simple stupid

2483
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:21,840
keep it simple stupid why do i gotta

2484
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:23,520
it's one more thing to worry about for

2485
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:24,239
sure

2486
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,600
uh but maybe we'll just use the main

2487
01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:29,440
shot and once in a while like when we go

2488
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:30,639
to break

2489
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,000
show another shot right

2490
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:38,880
oh you just made my day genocide for

2491
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:40,480
slides we need slides

2492
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:42,719
dw has slides i don't think i have

2493
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:44,000
powerpoint

2494
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:49,520
uh but killboy says show more strippers

2495
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,560
yeah uh those super chat donations

2496
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:54,560
could get me some new strippers you

2497
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:55,679
never know

2498
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:58,159
right maybe i'll i'll i'll blow the

2499
01:34:02,470 --> 01:34:00,400
super chat load this month on

2500
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,480
like custom strippers like we could get

2501
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,560
girls dressed like aliens

2502
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:06,560
like maybe alien masks and they could

2503
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:07,760
dance and strip

2504
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:12,320
but be aliens or like yeah like that uh

2505
01:34:16,830 --> 01:34:14,320
like that job of the hot alien girl

2506
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:16,840
maybe we could get one of those

2507
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:18,880
right

2508
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:20,800
definitely need more strippers that's

2509
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:22,719
that's what everybody needs

2510
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:26,159
need more strippers in my life for sure

2511
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:27,840
well i i want to thank you guys for

2512
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:30,239
being here and and for indulging me and

2513
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,880
letting me

2514
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:32,880
at least give you a preview and show you

2515
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:35,199
this multi-camera setup like i said

2516
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,719
it's still working on it and there's a

2517
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:38,320
lot of bugs to work out

2518
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,159
before i put it into every show right

2519
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:44,320
but i mean the the other thing that's

2520
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,199
funny is

2521
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,470
and then

2522
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:57,990
if one of me is not enough

2523
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,870
we'll have four or more of me

2524
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:14,310
but i think that's a little overkill

2525
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:17,360
so any other uh

2526
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:19,280
aj says just get sarah to show us the

2527
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:20,400
stargate

2528
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,119
now she's gonna have to show she's not

2529
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:25,119
only gonna have to show us a stargate aj

2530
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,119
she's gonna have to show us her

2531
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:29,040
going through a black hole because

2532
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:30,800
that's her new superpower she goes

2533
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:32,320
through black holes

2534
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:34,000
and talks to the aliens on the other

2535
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:43,430
right

2536
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:46,159
cw needs money because he's being so

2537
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,440
sued he'll do it

2538
01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:49,760
if i could get him over here on a green

2539
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,960
screen stripping

2540
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:52,960
i would i'd get him to do a striptease i

2541
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:54,400
would do it and i would play it

2542
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:56,960
too because i'm that kind of it i'm that

2543
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:58,159
kind of a guy

2544
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,199
yes yeah

2545
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:04,560
so friends i i listen it's been a real

2546
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:05,679
long day for me

2547
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:07,600
i was cleaning this place all day then i

2548
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:09,600
was testing these stupid cameras all day

2549
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,800
and i got up to seven

2550
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:13,600
believe it or not i got to seven cameras

2551
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:14,719
working

2552
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:18,719
glitchy and i don't know why

2553
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,560
but i try to get one like wide over

2554
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,800
there you know all the way on the wall

2555
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:24,960
so they could see like most of the whole

2556
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,000
office i don't know

2557
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,320
still gotta keep working on this i'm

2558
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:30,239
still gonna keep working on it

2559
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:33,280
and uh before i go though

2560
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:37,280
i am gonna remind you all to

2561
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:39,520
do something for me right that would

2562
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:41,760
really help the show and that is to like

2563
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:01,270
yes friends so please like comment and

2564
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,880
subscribe and send some of our video

2565
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,239
links to friends

2566
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:05,520
please share our channel link on your

2567
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:07,520
social media and thank you for helping

2568
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,719
us grow

2569
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:10,960
i'm about to hit we're about to hit 100

2570
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:13,040
000 views and we've passed 1500

2571
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,480
subscribers so

2572
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:16,080
thank you for your continued support

2573
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:17,600
thank you for liking commenting and

2574
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,199
sharing it really does

2575
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:21,520
i saw some youtube statistics and twenty

2576
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:23,040
percent of our views is coming from

2577
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:24,480
youtube searches

2578
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:26,480
which means every time you like comment

2579
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,520
and subscribe

2580
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:30,400
on one of my videos uh or comment on one

2581
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:32,159
of my videos or share it on your social

2582
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,880
media

2583
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:35,119
it really does help rise us in the

2584
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:37,040
youtube ai

2585
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:40,880
algorithm search engines praise the ai

2586
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:44,960
google ad algorithm gods please

2587
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,400
keep us in favor

2588
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:50,159
help us rise in the search engines

2589
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:52,639
that's my daily prayer to the youtube

2590
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,600
ai algorithm gods who hold my faith in

2591
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:57,360
their hands in the fate of our show

2592
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,679
they really could you know more

2593
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:01,600
engagement really does help

2594
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:05,760
to have more people find us when they

2595
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:06,560
search for

2596
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:09,920
let's say for example ufos or whatever

2597
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:12,719
it really does help every time you like

2598
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,960
comment subscribe or even dislike

2599
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:17,199
uh it really does helps and please send

2600
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:18,639
our channel address to some friends that

2601
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:19,440
you know

2602
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:21,520
that may enjoy this content and ask them

2603
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:27,830
oh yes steph i forgot to talk about that

2604
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:30,159
so tomorrow night we're going to have a

2605
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:33,280
tarot card tuesday uh yeah

2606
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,199
and stuff according to some people i'm

2607
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,440
selling out because i have you

2608
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,840
doing tarot cards and i'm a sellout but

2609
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:41,760
you know

2610
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,679
so be it uh yeah and melisa says praise

2611
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:47,040
the cash yes

2612
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,719
i want to thank all the super chat

2613
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:50,400
donators tonight

2614
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,480
all the people who support me on patreon

2615
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:54,000
and all the people who sent a paypal

2616
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:55,199
donation

2617
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,239
because uh it really it's

2618
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,719
we are building this show based off of

2619
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,719
viewer support and it feels great and i

2620
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:03,760
gotta say

2621
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,679
thank you for kindness your generosity

2622
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:08,000
your support praise the cash praised

2623
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:08,880
cash

2624
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:11,760
thank god almighty people are sending me

2625
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:12,159
money

2626
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:15,440
praise the cash melisa absolutely

2627
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,510
uh oh you better be here tomorrow night

2628
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,520
cowboy says need another reading steph i

2629
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:25,280
got fired oh sorry to hear that bro

2630
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:26,480
that's rough

2631
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:28,159
but i hope that you get a better job

2632
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:29,840
that you enjoy more where you make more

2633
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,639
money

2634
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:32,960
right try to think positively and win

2635
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,880
that's how you win when you get fired

2636
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,880
every time i got fired i got a better

2637
01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:38,719
job that i liked

2638
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,320
more that i made more money at because

2639
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:45,760
to me

2640
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:48,719
okay you don't want me somebody else is

2641
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:50,159
gonna want me because i'm worth

2642
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:51,119
something and i'm

2643
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,600
you know smart and driven and i get

2644
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:55,679
things done and i'm talented

2645
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:57,520
i hope hope you keep those things in

2646
01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:58,800
mind kill boy

2647
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,560
it's a tough pill to swallow sometimes

2648
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:02,000
and it's easy to

2649
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,360
to get a little uh you know

2650
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,360
to get a little discouraged when when

2651
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:09,040
life kicks in the teeth like that but

2652
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:10,159
don't do it bro

2653
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:13,360
you're talented you're passionate you're

2654
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:14,719
intelligent

2655
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:17,920
you get things done and you're worthy of

2656
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:21,199
a new better job and i hope you find it

2657
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:24,639
right cool boy says amen yes amen i

2658
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:25,520
believe

2659
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:33,520
yeah so friends it's been a long day i

2660
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:34,480
gotta bounce

2661
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:37,679
out of here i got some other things i'm

2662
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,080
still

2663
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:40,320
doing some other things tonight i

2664
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,440
cleaned this place

2665
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:44,000
all day and i worked on this stupid

2666
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,679
multi-cameras and i moved all these

2667
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:47,360
computers around now we're running the

2668
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:49,440
show from two ibm thinkpads

2669
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:51,040
which i'm having a little bit of trouble

2670
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,560
reading stuff so i got to make some

2671
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:53,920
adjustments

2672
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,239
but uh i think this is going to run the

2673
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:58,000
show much better because we have these

2674
01:41:03,990 --> 01:40:58,719
two

2675
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,000
the show one is really not enough for me

2676
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,239
anyway uh and it helps to have that

2677
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,320
extra cpu horsepower to do some other

2678
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:09,840
things so you're not just

2679
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:14,159
you know blowing this this whole thing

2680
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,280
on one computer because sometimes

2681
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:19,199
streamy art doesn't like that and things

2682
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:20,800
get a little nutty

2683
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:24,320
so friends once again thank all of you

2684
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,760
guys for being here i'm always happy

2685
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:27,119
when there's an audience thank you for

2686
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,880
coming here tonight thanks for indulging

2687
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,320
me and helping me

2688
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:32,880
at least uh give an example of what this

2689
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,960
multi-camera setup could be like for us

2690
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:37,440
uh if you guys like it let me know if

2691
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,560
you don't like it

2692
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,480
and you think it's stupid let me know

2693
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,760
too right

2694
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:44,000
i don't know i think what we're gonna do

2695
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:46,000
is use it but use it very sparingly

2696
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:48,000
like when we go to break i'll switch the

2697
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:50,080
camera view or something

2698
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,239
just it's not going to be like switch

2699
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,239
switch which which

2700
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:55,920
uh unless it gets some better cameras

2701
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:57,760
that's another possibility

2702
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,440
so i'm always happy when there's an

2703
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:01,280
audience friends thanks so much for

2704
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:02,960
coming here tonight spending some

2705
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,480
quality time with me

2706
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,080
i'm always happy to see each and every

2707
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,480
one of you until next time friends my

2708
01:42:15,670 --> 01:42:09,920
name is steven cambion

2709
01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:15,680
good night and god bless all of you

2710
01:43:34,650 --> 01:42:56,970
so

2711
01:43:36,020 --> 01:43:34,660
[Music]

2712
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:36,030
[Applause]

2713
01:43:53,700 --> 01:43:50,840
[Music]

2714
01:44:14,720 --> 01:43:53,710
so

2715
01:44:35,170 --> 01:44:24,189
[Music]

2716
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:35,180
that might be better

2717
01:45:01,920 --> 01:44:46,480
[Music]

2718
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:01,930
it's just the way it has to be

2719
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:14,840
[Music]

2720
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:17,570
is

2721
01:47:13,610 --> 01:45:28,830
[Music]

2722
01:47:24,370 --> 01:47:13,620
[Applause]

2723
01:48:25,669 --> 01:47:24,380
[Music]

2724
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:33,400
it's just the way it has to be

2725
01:48:49,709 --> 01:48:41,199
[Music]

2726
01:48:49,719 --> 01:49:02,440
eventually my

2727
01:51:59,700 --> 01:49:34,710
[Music]

2728
01:52:23,400 --> 01:51:59,710
[Applause]

2729
01:52:25,450 --> 01:52:23,410
[Music]

2730
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:25,460
[Applause]

2731
01:52:54,630 --> 01:52:53,650
[Music]